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Linux (kernel I mean) is good enough. There were some scheduling problems with audio, but it's mostly resolved. The problem is GNU style. We need another GUI an

by M95D 2y ago

Linux (kernel I mean) is good enough. There were some scheduling problems with audio, but it's mostly resolved. The problem is GNU style. We need another GUI and that doesn't mean just replacing X with/or Wayland protocol. It means replacing GTK and QT too.

packetlost 2y ago
Isn't that basically ElementaryOS? Or is that not a group up rewrite?
- isr 2y ago
  Not really. Pantheon, elementary's desktop environment, is forked from gnome. So in that sense, it's very much a traditional linux desktop distro (not to belittle it, as they have put in a lot of worthwhile work into pantheon & the assorted apps)
  - packetlost 2y ago
    Ah, I thought it was it's own thing. Oh well. I do think we're due for a commercial desktop Linux distro. Yes I think it should be paid. Something needs to take the place of Windows that isn't tied to specific hardware (MacOS) because Windows is getting unusable.
lukan 2y ago
ChromeOS seems very polished under the hood. It is fast and open source. But very tightly integrated into google and so I doubt, this will ever become a solid base for a new linux desktop.
- f1refly 2y ago
  Chromeos under the hood is just Linux
  - lukan 2y ago
    And ... what is just linux? They use a custom kernel. A completely different display manager, process scheduling, startup etc. But yeah, rsync works the same.
HeckFeck 2y ago
The penguin kernel is indeed very nifty and boots nearly everywhere. Most importantly it is replete with battle-tested drivers. Maybe the bold solution would be to port the Serenity userland + UI stack across to Linux and be very staunch about what gets into it. Essentially grafting the Linux kernel in place of the Serenity one, and using its UI Kit and WindowServer instead of GTK/QT/X/Wayland. Maybe it might even be possible to preserve the logic and non-UI libraries of many applications, even if the UI required a complete rewrite. A bit fantastical but just putting it out there.
panick21_ 2y ago
That exactyly what PopOS is doing. Cosmic is a new Desktop Envoirment for Wayland written in Rust using a toolkit named Iced.
snvzz 2y ago
>There were some scheduling problems with audio, but it's mostly resolved. It'll be, once the realtime patchset is completely merged. Meanwhile, some distributions (including Arch) offer a pre-patched kernel.

by M95D 2y ago

packetlost 2y ago

Isn't that basically ElementaryOS? Or is that not a group up rewrite?

isr 2y ago
Not really. Pantheon, elementary's desktop environment, is forked from gnome. So in that sense, it's very much a traditional linux desktop distro (not to belittle it, as they have put in a lot of worthwhile work into pantheon & the assorted apps)
- packetlost 2y ago
  Ah, I thought it was it's own thing. Oh well. I do think we're due for a commercial desktop Linux distro. Yes I think it should be paid. Something needs to take the place of Windows that isn't tied to specific hardware (MacOS) because Windows is getting unusable.

lukan 2y ago

ChromeOS seems very polished under the hood. It is fast and open source. But very tightly integrated into google and so I doubt, this will ever become a solid base for a new linux desktop.

f1refly 2y ago
Chromeos under the hood is just Linux
- lukan 2y ago
  And ... what is just linux? They use a custom kernel. A completely different display manager, process scheduling, startup etc. But yeah, rsync works the same.

HeckFeck 2y ago

The penguin kernel is indeed very nifty and boots nearly everywhere. Most importantly it is replete with battle-tested drivers. Maybe the bold solution would be to port the Serenity userland + UI stack across to Linux and be very staunch about what gets into it. Essentially grafting the Linux kernel in place of the Serenity one, and using its UI Kit and WindowServer instead of GTK/QT/X/Wayland. Maybe it might even be possible to preserve the logic and non-UI libraries of many applications, even if the UI required a complete rewrite. A bit fantastical but just putting it out there.

panick21_ 2y ago

That exactyly what PopOS is doing. Cosmic is a new Desktop Envoirment for Wayland written in Rust using a toolkit named Iced.

snvzz 2y ago

>There were some scheduling problems with audio, but it's mostly resolved. It'll be, once the realtime patchset is completely merged. Meanwhile, some distributions (including Arch) offer a pre-patched kernel.