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> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.

by rascul 2y ago

ZiiS 2y ago
KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy.
- rafram 2y ago
  There’s very little WebKit / KHTML code left in Chrome.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    There's very little NT 3.1 code left in Windows, but it's still clear how old that project is.
    - trustno2 2y ago
      All unixes are descendants of original Unix from PDP-7 days. Why does it matter? ...ok the /bin /usr/bin nonsense still stays after decades, maybe you have a point
      - mattl 2y ago
        Windows, macOS and Linux all have legacies of the late 80s and early 90s.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy. Why do you want the oldest code to be less than 20 years old? Why is that "nice"?
  - ChrisRR 2y ago
    Because 20 years is like half the history of modern computing. A lot has changed in a small amount of time
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      So what? Code doesn't rust.
      - chx 2y ago
        It doesn't but it accumulates cruft and since then new libraries emerge which you might be able to reuse instead of writing your own thing. Just as an example: Boost first appeared in 1999 so very likely at least early on no one used it.
        robertlagrant 2y ago
        Of course you could do that, but the existence of a bit of code that's survived that long within a project that's been around for 20 years doesn't mean nothing new has happened. Mozilla invented a whole language to make it easier to write browser in; I don't think they won't have considered using Boost or whatever much less radical approach we might come up with here won't have been considered and invested in.
      - teekert 2y ago
        Funny you mention "rust" because many modern things are written in rust to prevent bugs and generally to use modern programming paradigms.
  - svnt 2y ago
    The last time a major browser originated, RAM was measured in MB, CPU freq in MHz, and the iPod was the thing that the one trend hunter your friend knew was about to buy. The major browser platform today, smartphones, did not exist. PDAs did not even have wireless internet yet. The basis for the functionality of the browser is due for a reimagining.
KwanEsq 2y ago
Chrome forked from Webkit, which forked from KHTML, which apparently dates from 4th November 1998, so Chrome's base is 25 years and 7 months old tomorrow.
paulryanrogers 2y ago
KHTML was born in 1998 and became the foundation of Chrome and Safari. All major browsers are over a decade old, or just skins of decade+ old engines.

> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.

by rascul 2y ago

> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.

ZiiS 2y ago

KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy.

rafram 2y ago
There’s very little WebKit / KHTML code left in Chrome.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  There's very little NT 3.1 code left in Windows, but it's still clear how old that project is.
  - trustno2 2y ago
    All unixes are descendants of original Unix from PDP-7 days. Why does it matter? ...ok the /bin /usr/bin nonsense still stays after decades, maybe you have a point
    - mattl 2y ago
      Windows, macOS and Linux all have legacies of the late 80s and early 90s.
robertlagrant 2y ago
> KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy. Why do you want the oldest code to be less than 20 years old? Why is that "nice"?
- ChrisRR 2y ago
  Because 20 years is like half the history of modern computing. A lot has changed in a small amount of time
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    So what? Code doesn't rust.
    - chx 2y ago
      It doesn't but it accumulates cruft and since then new libraries emerge which you might be able to reuse instead of writing your own thing. Just as an example: Boost first appeared in 1999 so very likely at least early on no one used it.
      - robertlagrant 2y ago
        Of course you could do that, but the existence of a bit of code that's survived that long within a project that's been around for 20 years doesn't mean nothing new has happened. Mozilla invented a whole language to make it easier to write browser in; I don't think they won't have considered using Boost or whatever much less radical approach we might come up with here won't have been considered and invested in.
    - teekert 2y ago
      Funny you mention "rust" because many modern things are written in rust to prevent bugs and generally to use modern programming paradigms.
- svnt 2y ago
  The last time a major browser originated, RAM was measured in MB, CPU freq in MHz, and the iPod was the thing that the one trend hunter your friend knew was about to buy. The major browser platform today, smartphones, did not exist. PDAs did not even have wireless internet yet. The basis for the functionality of the browser is due for a reimagining.

KwanEsq 2y ago

Chrome forked from Webkit, which forked from KHTML, which apparently dates from 4th November 1998, so Chrome's base is 25 years and 7 months old tomorrow.

paulryanrogers 2y ago

KHTML was born in 1998 and became the foundation of Chrome and Safari. All major browsers are over a decade old, or just skins of decade+ old engines.