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>Also, is not illegal to self-host, but anonymous self-hosting. I think that is what I said. >Anyway, most people will just set external pages under internati

>Also, is not illegal to self-host, but anonymous self-hosting. I think that is what I said. >Anyway, most people will just set external pages under international hosts anonymously, or under i2pd and yggdrasil. "Make yourself a criminal" is not good advice. I don't know what you are trying to tell me. I know that there are technical means to circumvent this, just like there will be technical means to circumvent chat filters. That isn't the issue, the issue is that it is criminal to do so.

anthk 2y ago
In Spain we say 'hecha la ley, hecha la trampa' ( [as soon] the law it's made, a trick its made). So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all. Again, this is criminal. Again, I am aware that there are numerous technical means to circumvent this, yet all of these are criminal. I still don't get what your point is.
  - anthk 2y ago
    Exploiting loopholes aren't criminal per se; what I mean it's that you can comply with the law by just stating you are not a commercial entity and privacy it's a right granted by the European Union. Thus, most German web/gopher/gemini hobbyists could just call the European Human Rights Court and sue the German goverment branches en masse. Better if that was done under a civil rights supporting NGO, because of legal advice. Once the bigass fines stack up at Berlin, the law wouldn't last for long.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Such a bizarre position. None of this is relevant for the legality in this moment or the legality of the chat monitoring. Also I think it is extremely unlikely that the court will agree. There are many, many more egregious laws in existence in the EU, this effects very few people and is a big sovereignity issue.

anthk 2y ago

In Spain we say 'hecha la ley, hecha la trampa' ( [as soon] the law it's made, a trick its made). So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all.

constantcrying 2y ago
>So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all. Again, this is criminal. Again, I am aware that there are numerous technical means to circumvent this, yet all of these are criminal. I still don't get what your point is.
- anthk 2y ago
  Exploiting loopholes aren't criminal per se; what I mean it's that you can comply with the law by just stating you are not a commercial entity and privacy it's a right granted by the European Union. Thus, most German web/gopher/gemini hobbyists could just call the European Human Rights Court and sue the German goverment branches en masse. Better if that was done under a civil rights supporting NGO, because of legal advice. Once the bigass fines stack up at Berlin, the law wouldn't last for long.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Such a bizarre position. None of this is relevant for the legality in this moment or the legality of the chat monitoring. Also I think it is extremely unlikely that the court will agree. There are many, many more egregious laws in existence in the EU, this effects very few people and is a big sovereignity issue.