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Veeam just got support for Proxmox virtualization platform. It just shows that the industry is slowly turning away from Vmware.

justinclift 2y ago
Yeah. There are an awful lot of ex-VMware customers and users joining the Proxmox forums over the last two months, which is when I joined. It'll definitely be interesting to keep an eye on.
- snapplebobapple 2y ago
  We did our satellite office upgrades with proxmox as broadcom was hinted at during the upgradr phase and in the last two weeks we moced our head office over as well. I cant say enough good things about proxmox. Its drastically easier to deal with than vmware as well.
alephnerd 2y ago
I called out that Veeam would be the winner in this but got flamed - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40031058#40031622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40031058#40031622
- scoot 2y ago
  You didn't get flamed, you got downvoted, apparently because you don't understand what it means for a company such as Veeam to "support" a technology such as Proxmox. It does not mean that they offer technical support for Proxmox, but rather that their product will provide some form of backup and recovery for Proxmox VMs. (I should point out that it's currently vaporware. "General availability for Proxmox VE support is expected in Q3 2024" [0]) Even if they were to offer technical support for Proxmox (they won't) that wouldn't guarantee that they would be "the winner", and there's no guarantee of that in the backup space either. Veeam is primarily a VMware backup product with no support for the majority of workloads that large enterprises also run, so is popular in SMEs. It also has poor deduplication, making storage costs for backups considerably higher than with alternatives. If VMware's intention is to target their largest customers and eject the long tail, that leaves Veeam with a limited market. Veeam has seen that the writing's on the wall; it remains to be seen if Proxmox support will be enough to save them, as there are plenty of other alternatives to VMware. [0] https://www.veeam.com/news/veeam-extends-data-freedom-for-customers-with-support-for-proxmox-ve.html https://www.veeam.com/news/veeam-extends-data-freedom-for-cu...
- justinclift 2y ago
  Hmmm, it looks like you're misunderstanding what "support" means there, and your conversation in the other issue is making some wrong conclusions from that. The support by Veeam just means their software product will officially work with Proxmox. It doesn't mean Veeam have become an option for people to contact and have general Proxmox issues fixed.

justinclift 2y ago

Yeah. There are an awful lot of ex-VMware customers and users joining the Proxmox forums over the last two months, which is when I joined. It'll definitely be interesting to keep an eye on.

snapplebobapple 2y ago
We did our satellite office upgrades with proxmox as broadcom was hinted at during the upgradr phase and in the last two weeks we moced our head office over as well. I cant say enough good things about proxmox. Its drastically easier to deal with than vmware as well.

alephnerd 2y ago

I called out that Veeam would be the winner in this but got flamed - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40031058#40031622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40031058#40031622

scoot 2y ago
You didn't get flamed, you got downvoted, apparently because you don't understand what it means for a company such as Veeam to "support" a technology such as Proxmox. It does not mean that they offer technical support for Proxmox, but rather that their product will provide some form of backup and recovery for Proxmox VMs. (I should point out that it's currently vaporware. "General availability for Proxmox VE support is expected in Q3 2024" [0]) Even if they were to offer technical support for Proxmox (they won't) that wouldn't guarantee that they would be "the winner", and there's no guarantee of that in the backup space either. Veeam is primarily a VMware backup product with no support for the majority of workloads that large enterprises also run, so is popular in SMEs. It also has poor deduplication, making storage costs for backups considerably higher than with alternatives. If VMware's intention is to target their largest customers and eject the long tail, that leaves Veeam with a limited market. Veeam has seen that the writing's on the wall; it remains to be seen if Proxmox support will be enough to save them, as there are plenty of other alternatives to VMware. [0] https://www.veeam.com/news/veeam-extends-data-freedom-for-customers-with-support-for-proxmox-ve.html https://www.veeam.com/news/veeam-extends-data-freedom-for-cu...
justinclift 2y ago
Hmmm, it looks like you're misunderstanding what "support" means there, and your conversation in the other issue is making some wrong conclusions from that. The support by Veeam just means their software product will officially work with Proxmox. It doesn't mean Veeam have become an option for people to contact and have general Proxmox issues fixed.