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" People in the EU don't equate "communist" to "evil", Actually they do it if you step out of your left wing Western European buble. " Recently in the EU, fore

" People in the EU don't equate "communist" to "evil", Actually they do it if you step out of your left wing Western European buble. " Recently in the EU, foreign (also Russian and Chinese) interference has been more visible in parties on the political right. " It also clearly visible on the Left (in Germany Wagenknecht, die Linke, in France le francais insoumni, every Communist and Left populist party I am aware of) but I guess somebody on this thread has to be step out of its buble.

simiones 2y ago
There is some amount of Russian money all over the political spectrum, but it's only really characteristic of the Right (think Orban, Le Pen) and the Center (especially in Germany, with examples like Gerhard Schroder becoming a VP of Gazprom almost immediately after his last stint as chancellor). The extreme left is the least likely to be significantly corrupted by Russian interests, since the goals of far left parties in Europe typically align very badly with Russia's goals. The only exception is that far left parties are typically anti-war, so they view support of Ukraine's military quite suspiciously. But on all other fronts, a modern far-left Europe would be a disaster for Russia. The single most important Russian interest in the region is to sell its fossil fuels, which the far left is very skeptical of.
- snowpid 2y ago
  " the Center (especially in Germany, with examples like Gerhard Schroder becoming a VP of Gazprom almost immediately after his last stint as chancellor). " Schröder was part of the Center - Left and the Left in the SPD were very proud of their "understanding of Russia" . " The extreme left is the least likely to be significantly corrupted by Russian interests, since the goals of far left parties in Europe typically align very badly with Russia's goals. " This is contraire against any evidence, which ignoring examples from above.
staunton 2y ago
> It also clearly visible on the Left (in Germany Wagenknecht, die Linke, in France le francais insoumni, every Communist and Left populist party I am aware of) Those parties certainly seem more sympathetic to Russia than "centre" parties in their rethoric and likely policy. However, do you know of any cases of interference becoming known recently? As I said earlier, I generally don't assume the level of corruption or susceptibility to interference is strongly correlated with "position on the political spectrum". So it's perfectly possible that there was interference, all I claimed is what has become known recently.
staunton 2y ago
> It also clearly visible on the Left (in Germany Wagenknecht, die Linke, in France le francais insoumni, every Communist and Left populist party I am aware of) Those parties certainly seem more sympathetic to Russia than "centre" parties in their rethoric and likely policy. However, do you know of any cases of interference becoming known recently? As I said earlier, I generally don't assume the level of corruption or susceptibility to interference is strongly correlated with "position on the political spectrum". So it's perfectly possible that there was interference, all I claimed was about what has become known recently.
- snowpid 2y ago
  " Those parties certainly seem more sympathetic to Russia than "centre" parties in their rethoric and likely policy. However, do you know of any cases of interference becoming known recently? " This is a good counterpoint. But I feel the Klimastiftung might be a starting point of corruption (I guess some journalists try to find out more). Also Wagenknecht repeats Russian propaganda frequently. I also think the case is similar to Krah.

simiones 2y ago

There is some amount of Russian money all over the political spectrum, but it's only really characteristic of the Right (think Orban, Le Pen) and the Center (especially in Germany, with examples like Gerhard Schroder becoming a VP of Gazprom almost immediately after his last stint as chancellor). The extreme left is the least likely to be significantly corrupted by Russian interests, since the goals of far left parties in Europe typically align very badly with Russia's goals. The only exception is that far left parties are typically anti-war, so they view support of Ukraine's military quite suspiciously. But on all other fronts, a modern far-left Europe would be a disaster for Russia. The single most important Russian interest in the region is to sell its fossil fuels, which the far left is very skeptical of.

snowpid 2y ago
" the Center (especially in Germany, with examples like Gerhard Schroder becoming a VP of Gazprom almost immediately after his last stint as chancellor). " Schröder was part of the Center - Left and the Left in the SPD were very proud of their "understanding of Russia" . " The extreme left is the least likely to be significantly corrupted by Russian interests, since the goals of far left parties in Europe typically align very badly with Russia's goals. " This is contraire against any evidence, which ignoring examples from above.

staunton 2y ago

> It also clearly visible on the Left (in Germany Wagenknecht, die Linke, in France le francais insoumni, every Communist and Left populist party I am aware of) Those parties certainly seem more sympathetic to Russia than "centre" parties in their rethoric and likely policy. However, do you know of any cases of interference becoming known recently? As I said earlier, I generally don't assume the level of corruption or susceptibility to interference is strongly correlated with "position on the political spectrum". So it's perfectly possible that there was interference, all I claimed is what has become known recently.

staunton 2y ago

snowpid 2y ago
" Those parties certainly seem more sympathetic to Russia than "centre" parties in their rethoric and likely policy. However, do you know of any cases of interference becoming known recently? " This is a good counterpoint. But I feel the Klimastiftung might be a starting point of corruption (I guess some journalists try to find out more). Also Wagenknecht repeats Russian propaganda frequently. I also think the case is similar to Krah.