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Yes, I can roam freely in all the Union's states, use the same currency in most of them, use my cellphone with no roaming costs, have access to health care if n

by thefz 2y ago

Yes, I can roam freely in all the Union's states, use the same currency in most of them, use my cellphone with no roaming costs, have access to health care if needed... that's the result of imposing less regulation, not more.

agilob 2y ago
I mean... technically that is a new regulation. Some Polish providers already didn't have roaming fees in EU before that.
- thefz 2y ago
  If you make a law that cancels a previous one, it's still a new law, but if you want to measure "regulation", it is less?
- eru 2y ago
  Yes, I don't see how the EU mandating free roaming is a case of deregulation? Perhaps I'm missing something.
constantcrying 2y ago
All of these are cases where EU was removing state regulations in favor of their own regulations. I don't think this falls under deregulation at all, it's just centralization.
- pbmonster 2y ago
  It effectively removed a great number of pages of laws/regulations/contracts that need to be applied to my life. I never need to think about import/export restrictions, immigration law, visas, exchange rates, phone contracts or medical insurance contracts. It certainly deregulated my life. I feel less regulated on what I can do. It removed barriers. And that's really the only thing that matters.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    But this is a case of countries removing legislation from you. I think it is extremely hard to argue that this was a case of the EU deregulating anything. What happened was the EU started to regulate more, which invalidated the regulations of states.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      No, it's a case of the countries which are in the EU all making their legislation equivalent because they all agreed to let the EU be the place where they figure out how to do that. The EU is specifically the mechanism by which the countries streamline their legislative differences.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Sure, but what does that have to do with anything?
hsyehbeidhh 2y ago
Consider that for the small convenience of using the same currency and health service of other countries those very fee times that you travel, your country has given up sovereignty. It seems like the capricious desires of cheap-flight digital nomads have been traded for something as fundamental as sovereignty.

by thefz 2y ago

agilob 2y ago

I mean... technically that is a new regulation. Some Polish providers already didn't have roaming fees in EU before that.

thefz 2y ago
If you make a law that cancels a previous one, it's still a new law, but if you want to measure "regulation", it is less?
eru 2y ago
Yes, I don't see how the EU mandating free roaming is a case of deregulation? Perhaps I'm missing something.

constantcrying 2y ago

All of these are cases where EU was removing state regulations in favor of their own regulations. I don't think this falls under deregulation at all, it's just centralization.

pbmonster 2y ago
It effectively removed a great number of pages of laws/regulations/contracts that need to be applied to my life. I never need to think about import/export restrictions, immigration law, visas, exchange rates, phone contracts or medical insurance contracts. It certainly deregulated my life. I feel less regulated on what I can do. It removed barriers. And that's really the only thing that matters.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  But this is a case of countries removing legislation from you. I think it is extremely hard to argue that this was a case of the EU deregulating anything. What happened was the EU started to regulate more, which invalidated the regulations of states.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    No, it's a case of the countries which are in the EU all making their legislation equivalent because they all agreed to let the EU be the place where they figure out how to do that. The EU is specifically the mechanism by which the countries streamline their legislative differences.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Sure, but what does that have to do with anything?

hsyehbeidhh 2y ago

Consider that for the small convenience of using the same currency and health service of other countries those very fee times that you travel, your country has given up sovereignty. It seems like the capricious desires of cheap-flight digital nomads have been traded for something as fundamental as sovereignty.