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Russia are definitely not the military super power the west thought they were. Ukraine's "3 day long" special military operation that's now 800+ days of brutal

by _joel 2y ago

Russia are definitely not the military super power the west thought they were. Ukraine's "3 day long" special military operation that's now 800+ days of brutal war has shown that. The tatics they use consist of human meat waves, hardly scalable to a world context.

baybal2 2y ago
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greenavocado 2y ago
Media outlets like the New York Post, Business Insider, and CNN, along with experts, consistently describe Russian advances using terms like "meatwave" and "human wave" tactics. Despite the prevalence of combat footage, there is a noticeable lack of video evidence showing these so-called "meatwave" assaults. The term "human wave attack" has been used historically, particularly during the Korean War and Iran-Iraq War, often as propaganda rather than accurate military descriptions. Russian tactics, including their use of mechanized units and night assaults, do not fit the traditional definition of human wave attacks, which involve unprotected, concentrated infantry assaults. The term "human wave" is more of a propaganda tool to depict the enemy as unsophisticated and inferior. Footage and descriptions of Ukrainian forces using similar tactics are not labeled as "human waves," indicating a bias in reporting. The term "human wave attack" is misapplied to Russian tactics in Ukraine, serving more as a derogatory label than an accurate military term.
- _joel 2y ago
  They are inferior. No training, no ammunition, no morale, drafting in mercinaries or violent criminals with even less experience or preparation. The only reason there have been advances have been down to this attrition. Do you know how many were russians were lost in taking Avdiivka? All for Putin to have something to celebrate on the run up to his sham election.
  - greenavocado 2y ago
    "...there have been advances..." Despite the group's supposed severe deficiencies, they have still made advances. This implies some level of effectiveness or success, which contradicts the earlier claim of their complete inadequacy. Attrition usually leads to depletion and loss, not advances. Claiming that advances have been due to attrition is contradictory because attrition implies weakening rather than successful forward movement. Recruiting individuals who are described as having even less experience and preparation than an already inferior force would logically not lead to any improvement in capability or effectiveness. The claim that they have contributed to advances contradicts the assessment of their capabilities. It is not clear how an inferior and ill-prepared force would cause significant attrition to a presumably stronger adversary.
    - _joel 2y ago
      Not at all, you can have attrition of your forces whilst making meaningless advances. Attrition doesn't mean stalemate. They've made these advances of a few square km, at the expense of tens of thousands of lives. This is the meatwave tactic and is not sustainable. At that rate they'd need the entire polulation of Russia to make any advance on Kyiv.
      - greenavocado 2y ago
        What you are describing is a war of attrition, not unsustainable meatwave tactics. To call Russian tactics "meatwave," large numbers of soldiers or militia would have to charge at enemy positions in waves, often with minimal support from armored or mechanized units. This is simply not what is happening.
        _joel 2y ago
        It very much is. Batallions are being sent on foot with very light APC backing, or in cheap chinese off-road gold buggies with no protection. Maybe an occasional T62 or something archaic for support.
        2y ago

by _joel 2y ago

baybal2 2y ago

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greenavocado 2y ago

Media outlets like the New York Post, Business Insider, and CNN, along with experts, consistently describe Russian advances using terms like "meatwave" and "human wave" tactics. Despite the prevalence of combat footage, there is a noticeable lack of video evidence showing these so-called "meatwave" assaults. The term "human wave attack" has been used historically, particularly during the Korean War and Iran-Iraq War, often as propaganda rather than accurate military descriptions. Russian tactics, including their use of mechanized units and night assaults, do not fit the traditional definition of human wave attacks, which involve unprotected, concentrated infantry assaults. The term "human wave" is more of a propaganda tool to depict the enemy as unsophisticated and inferior. Footage and descriptions of Ukrainian forces using similar tactics are not labeled as "human waves," indicating a bias in reporting. The term "human wave attack" is misapplied to Russian tactics in Ukraine, serving more as a derogatory label than an accurate military term.

_joel 2y ago
They are inferior. No training, no ammunition, no morale, drafting in mercinaries or violent criminals with even less experience or preparation. The only reason there have been advances have been down to this attrition. Do you know how many were russians were lost in taking Avdiivka? All for Putin to have something to celebrate on the run up to his sham election.
- greenavocado 2y ago
  "...there have been advances..." Despite the group's supposed severe deficiencies, they have still made advances. This implies some level of effectiveness or success, which contradicts the earlier claim of their complete inadequacy. Attrition usually leads to depletion and loss, not advances. Claiming that advances have been due to attrition is contradictory because attrition implies weakening rather than successful forward movement. Recruiting individuals who are described as having even less experience and preparation than an already inferior force would logically not lead to any improvement in capability or effectiveness. The claim that they have contributed to advances contradicts the assessment of their capabilities. It is not clear how an inferior and ill-prepared force would cause significant attrition to a presumably stronger adversary.
  - _joel 2y ago
    Not at all, you can have attrition of your forces whilst making meaningless advances. Attrition doesn't mean stalemate. They've made these advances of a few square km, at the expense of tens of thousands of lives. This is the meatwave tactic and is not sustainable. At that rate they'd need the entire polulation of Russia to make any advance on Kyiv.
    - greenavocado 2y ago
      What you are describing is a war of attrition, not unsustainable meatwave tactics. To call Russian tactics "meatwave," large numbers of soldiers or militia would have to charge at enemy positions in waves, often with minimal support from armored or mechanized units. This is simply not what is happening.
      - _joel 2y ago
        It very much is. Batallions are being sent on foot with very light APC backing, or in cheap chinese off-road gold buggies with no protection. Maybe an occasional T62 or something archaic for support.
      - 2y ago