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I'm astonished that the chats of EU officials and politicians are not exempt. A mistake, no doubt, one which will be corrected shortly

by usrnm 2y ago

rightbyte 2y ago
The ones pushing this probably think the secret police and military are firmly on their side.
belter 2y ago
They are also exempt. We are not dealing with amateurs here... https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-eu-ministers-want-to-exempt-themselves/ https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-eu-ministers-wan...
- perihelions 2y ago
  - "As O'Brien passed the telescreen a thought seemed to strike him. He stopped, turned aside and pressed a switch on the wall. There was a sharp snap. The voice had stopped." - "Julia uttered a tiny sound, a sort of squeak of surprise. Even in the midst of his panic, Winston was too much taken aback to be able to hold his tongue." - "'You can turn it off!' he said." - "'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.'"
wdb 2y ago
Always surprised why politicians get exempted from these kind of rules. You would think they would set the good example
- InCityDreams 2y ago
  Always NOT surprised why politicians get exempted from these kind of rules. You would think they would set the good example. They're not stupid, and they're NOT example-setters (very few exceptions) - for myself. #never voted, and very proud of it.
  - vault 2y ago
    I'm afraid there's nothing in your behaviour to be proud of
    - another2another 2y ago
      "History is made by those who show up." (Disraeli) is the quote that springs to mind.
- everforward 2y ago
  There are both good and bad reasons. The bad is obviously that they’re immune to their own legislation. The good is that it prevents incumbents from using this data as part of their campaign. It would be Watergate all over again. There is also data that probably shouldn’t be public. Locations and status of missile silos, troop locations, etc. In an ideal world, all of that would be on secured channels that are managed by appropriate entities. In the real world, it seems like a struggle to get troops to stop posting selfies with sensitive data on Facebook; I don’t doubt much more exists in private messages. I’m also about 95% sure our politicians (globally) are incapable of managing the OpSec of having 2 devices, one secured and one not, and using them appropriately. They’ll forget one or the other exists.
  - r00fus 2y ago
    "Laws for thee and not for me" is one of the root tenets of totalitarianism.
    - everforward 2y ago
      To be clear, I think this law is bad, and I don't think these exclusions are the right way to go about it. I just also think that it's worth considering that there are some communications where the cost of leaking data is higher than the cost of a very low chance of catching CSAM. These exclusions are overly broad in my opinion (the cost of most of these comms leaking is low to non-existent), but there are good reasons for some limited communications to either be excluded or have an alternative system. A Watergate scenario weakens shared belief in the government/democracy. Leaking nuclear secrets is obviously bad. Leaking troop locations/movements is also very bad. A prosecutor getting access to communications between a defendant and their lawyer would be very bad. My preferred solution would be to not have the scanning, for various reasons including that exclusions would either be so broad that practically nothing gets scanned or too narrow and we'd eventually have some kind of crisis.
      - r00fus 2y ago
        I predict the scanning will be worked around by all parties except for the ones who really don't need to be scanned.
crest 2y ago
It's also going to be fun when it comes to communication of medical providers or lawyers. Both groups can be expected to be legally privileged and commonly come into contact with material they're legally required to process that will trigger (false) positives. The whole idea so braindead it can only come from a politician with a voyeurism fetish unburdened by any subject matter expertise.

I'm astonished that the chats of EU officials and politicians are not exempt. A mistake, no doubt, one which will be corrected shortly

by usrnm 2y ago

I'm astonished that the chats of EU officials and politicians are not exempt. A mistake, no doubt, one which will be corrected shortly

rightbyte 2y ago

The ones pushing this probably think the secret police and military are firmly on their side.

belter 2y ago

They are also exempt. We are not dealing with amateurs here... https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-eu-ministers-want-to-exempt-themselves/ https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-eu-ministers-wan...

perihelions 2y ago
- "As O'Brien passed the telescreen a thought seemed to strike him. He stopped, turned aside and pressed a switch on the wall. There was a sharp snap. The voice had stopped." - "Julia uttered a tiny sound, a sort of squeak of surprise. Even in the midst of his panic, Winston was too much taken aback to be able to hold his tongue." - "'You can turn it off!' he said." - "'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.'"

wdb 2y ago

Always surprised why politicians get exempted from these kind of rules. You would think they would set the good example

InCityDreams 2y ago
Always NOT surprised why politicians get exempted from these kind of rules. You would think they would set the good example. They're not stupid, and they're NOT example-setters (very few exceptions) - for myself. #never voted, and very proud of it.
- vault 2y ago
  I'm afraid there's nothing in your behaviour to be proud of
  - another2another 2y ago
    "History is made by those who show up." (Disraeli) is the quote that springs to mind.
everforward 2y ago
There are both good and bad reasons. The bad is obviously that they’re immune to their own legislation. The good is that it prevents incumbents from using this data as part of their campaign. It would be Watergate all over again. There is also data that probably shouldn’t be public. Locations and status of missile silos, troop locations, etc. In an ideal world, all of that would be on secured channels that are managed by appropriate entities. In the real world, it seems like a struggle to get troops to stop posting selfies with sensitive data on Facebook; I don’t doubt much more exists in private messages. I’m also about 95% sure our politicians (globally) are incapable of managing the OpSec of having 2 devices, one secured and one not, and using them appropriately. They’ll forget one or the other exists.
- r00fus 2y ago
  "Laws for thee and not for me" is one of the root tenets of totalitarianism.
  - everforward 2y ago
    To be clear, I think this law is bad, and I don't think these exclusions are the right way to go about it. I just also think that it's worth considering that there are some communications where the cost of leaking data is higher than the cost of a very low chance of catching CSAM. These exclusions are overly broad in my opinion (the cost of most of these comms leaking is low to non-existent), but there are good reasons for some limited communications to either be excluded or have an alternative system. A Watergate scenario weakens shared belief in the government/democracy. Leaking nuclear secrets is obviously bad. Leaking troop locations/movements is also very bad. A prosecutor getting access to communications between a defendant and their lawyer would be very bad. My preferred solution would be to not have the scanning, for various reasons including that exclusions would either be so broad that practically nothing gets scanned or too narrow and we'd eventually have some kind of crisis.
    - r00fus 2y ago
      I predict the scanning will be worked around by all parties except for the ones who really don't need to be scanned.

crest 2y ago

It's also going to be fun when it comes to communication of medical providers or lawyers. Both groups can be expected to be legally privileged and commonly come into contact with material they're legally required to process that will trigger (false) positives. The whole idea so braindead it can only come from a politician with a voyeurism fetish unburdened by any subject matter expertise.