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I couldn't agree less. Wealth depends on poverty because poverty creates wealth. You'll never get 10x Musk's without creating homeless people. We compete with e
by dventimi 2y ago
I couldn't agree less. Wealth depends on poverty because poverty creates wealth. You'll never get 10x Musk's without creating homeless people. We compete with each other for resources using wealth and power, which at the highest levels are the same.
- Manuel_D 2y agoNo, poverty does not create wealth. The wealthiest people tend to come from affluent countries with low poverty. This comment is prototypical of a zero-sum mindset.
- dventimi 2y ago> The wealthiest people tend to come from affluent countries with low poverty. How do you think the less-affluent countries became that way? By enriching the affluent countries, that's how.
- knome 2y agoLess affluent is the default state of things. It doesn't require a conspiracy or domineering other to create it. You can argue the more affluent countries didn't help the less affluent ones enough. But there is literally billions in aid that goes from affluent to less affluent countries every year. Unfortunately, aid is a short term fix for problems. The only real way to help them is to properly invest in them, which requires a stability that less affluent countries often lack.
- dventimi 2y ago> Less affluent is the default state of things. No it isn't. > It doesn't require a conspiracy or domineering other to create it. I never said anything about a conspiracy. > You can argue the more affluent countries didn't help the less affluent ones enough. But there is literally billions in aid that goes from affluent to less affluent countries every year. I suspect the less affluent countries wouldn't object to less aid and investment from the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran_coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran_coup https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html
- Manuel_D 2y agoIncorrect. Most of the world's impoverished countries were even poorer 500+ years ago.
- dventimi 2y agoThe impoverishment has been going on for a long time.
- slothtrop 2y agoThe poorest countries trade the least with the rest of the world.
- dventimi 2y agoEven if that were true, which I'm absolutely not willing to accept without evidence, trade is not the only way that wealthy nations impoverish poor nations. There are others: war, political instability, environmental degradation, etc.
- slothtrop 2y agoSo don't accept it, I'm not going to run around doing simple searches for you.
- dventimi 2y ago"Searches"? Why would you have to search for evidence you already have in your possession, which surely must be the case? I mean, it's not like you would dream up a claim without evidence, is it?
- brigadier132 2y ago> Wealth depends on poverty because poverty creates wealth This is circular reasoning and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic economics and what wealth even is. > You'll never get 10x Musk's without creating homeless people This is stated without evidence. > We compete with each other for resources using wealth and power The classic 0 sum theory of economics. It's a good thing economics isn't actually 0 sum because with more than 10x population growth since the 1700s we'd be fighting over loaves of bread.
- dventimi 2y ago> This is circular reasoning It's not circular reasoning because it's not even reasoning. It's a claim. I have not attempted to justify it. I could, and I may, but I haven't tried to (yet). > This is stated without evidence. Yes. It's another claim. I'd be happy to explain it if you like. > It's a good thing economics isn't actually 0 sum because with more than 10x population growth since the 1700s we'd be fighting over loaves of bread. People still find it difficult to obtain even basic needs like food, even in what another commenter referred to as one of the "affluent" countries. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...