> they've also gone and told you exactly how to defeat it. No, what they said is that since they [hackers] can test their code with antivirus before deploying,

> they've also gone and told you exactly how to defeat it. No, what they said is that since they [hackers] can test their code with antivirus before deploying, they can be sure of the fact that it wont be detected. So it's obvious that to "defeat" the antivirus, they have to test against it. It's in no way a solution. Anyone with a little common sense will tell you that to defeat an antivirus, the best way is to test against it before you release your malware.