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So an hypothetical sad event where Ukrainian pawns burned 42 people in Ukraine, and few Ukrainian neo-Nazis resisted Ukraine police is comparable or justifies m

by effie 2y ago

So an hypothetical sad event where Ukrainian pawns burned 42 people in Ukraine, and few Ukrainian neo-Nazis resisted Ukraine police is comparable or justifies multi-year military agression by RUSSIA that killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated east/south of Ukraine? Do you think this is a civilized argument?

protomolecule 2y ago
>hypothetical Seriously? >is comparable or justifies That's what escalation is. The American sponsored coup was an escalation. The reunification with Crimea and support for Eastern Ukrainian rebels was an escalation.
- mopsi 2y ago
  There was no coup in Ukraine. Yanukovych was removed from office by the constitutional majority of Ukrainian parliament with votes 328-vs-0. Not even a single member of his own party supported him.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >by the constitutional majority "Finally, the constitution demands that at least three quarters of the constitutional membership of the Verkhovna Rada vote for the removal of the President in the final step. However, instead of the required 338 parliamentary deputies only 328 voted for the removal of the President." [0] [0] https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxdyx/vjicc5jt4ayk https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxd...
    - mopsi 2y ago
      The internationally accepted standard is 2/3. Not a single country besides Russia recognized Yanukovych as the president of Ukraine after the vote, and even Russia gave up being a sore loser after a few months.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        You keep making stuff up. I don't like people with no integrity so please refrain from trying to talk to me in the future. Thank you.
        mopsi 2y ago
        No I don't. If you want to nitpick, then for starters the Ukrainian parliament didn't go through the formal impeachment process (which requires 4/5 majority), because the Ukrainian constitution has no provisions for a situation when president and cabinet ministers just burn documents to hide tracks, run away into another country and become internationally wanted criminals. Instead, the parliament passed a declaration saying that the government had abadoned their duties and called for early elections, and did so within the bounds of Ukrainian laws, and with an internationally recognized margin of majority for such drastic steps. There is no domestic or international case for calling early elections a coup. The whole "coup" sob story has been dead and buried for a long time. The transition of power was as clean as you can hope to get in a severe political crisis. If you are looking for something to call a coup, then the Russian invasion of Crimea was a textbook coup.

by effie 2y ago

protomolecule 2y ago

>hypothetical Seriously? >is comparable or justifies That's what escalation is. The American sponsored coup was an escalation. The reunification with Crimea and support for Eastern Ukrainian rebels was an escalation.

mopsi 2y ago
There was no coup in Ukraine. Yanukovych was removed from office by the constitutional majority of Ukrainian parliament with votes 328-vs-0. Not even a single member of his own party supported him.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  >by the constitutional majority "Finally, the constitution demands that at least three quarters of the constitutional membership of the Verkhovna Rada vote for the removal of the President in the final step. However, instead of the required 338 parliamentary deputies only 328 voted for the removal of the President." [0] [0] https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxdyx/vjicc5jt4ayk https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxd...
  - mopsi 2y ago
    The internationally accepted standard is 2/3. Not a single country besides Russia recognized Yanukovych as the president of Ukraine after the vote, and even Russia gave up being a sore loser after a few months.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      You keep making stuff up. I don't like people with no integrity so please refrain from trying to talk to me in the future. Thank you.
      - mopsi 2y ago
        No I don't. If you want to nitpick, then for starters the Ukrainian parliament didn't go through the formal impeachment process (which requires 4/5 majority), because the Ukrainian constitution has no provisions for a situation when president and cabinet ministers just burn documents to hide tracks, run away into another country and become internationally wanted criminals. Instead, the parliament passed a declaration saying that the government had abadoned their duties and called for early elections, and did so within the bounds of Ukrainian laws, and with an internationally recognized margin of majority for such drastic steps. There is no domestic or international case for calling early elections a coup. The whole "coup" sob story has been dead and buried for a long time. The transition of power was as clean as you can hope to get in a severe political crisis. If you are looking for something to call a coup, then the Russian invasion of Crimea was a textbook coup.