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It can be, if done nonviolently, like financial and propagandist support of existing movements. Did American helpers shoot people like Russians do?
by effie 2y ago
It can be, if done nonviolently, like financial and propagandist support of existing movements. Did American helpers shoot people like Russians do?
- protomolecule 2y agoYeah, then why all the whining about alleged "Russian meddling" in American and European elections?
- effie 2y agoBecause the meddling is happening, people believe it, and western bureaucrats and politicians want to take advantage of this narrative?
- protomolecule 2y agoSo how can one whine about morally good thing?
- effie 2y agoWhat is a good thing here?
- protomolecule 2y ago"Did American helpers shoot people like Russians do?" Their Ukrainian pawns burned alive 42 people in Odessa. [0] And during Maidan protests, the force that fought the police was Ukranian neo-Nazis [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes#2_May_city_centre_clashes_and_Trade_Unions_House_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes#2_May_city_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#Entry_into_Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#Entry_into_Euroma...
- effie 2y agoSo an hypothetical sad event where Ukrainian pawns burned 42 people in Ukraine, and few Ukrainian neo-Nazis resisted Ukraine police is comparable or justifies multi-year military agression by RUSSIA that killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated east/south of Ukraine? Do you think this is a civilized argument?
- protomolecule 2y ago>hypothetical Seriously? >is comparable or justifies That's what escalation is. The American sponsored coup was an escalation. The reunification with Crimea and support for Eastern Ukrainian rebels was an escalation.
- mopsi 2y agoThere was no coup in Ukraine. Yanukovych was removed from office by the constitutional majority of Ukrainian parliament with votes 328-vs-0. Not even a single member of his own party supported him.
- protomolecule 2y ago>by the constitutional majority "Finally, the constitution demands that at least three quarters of the constitutional membership of the Verkhovna Rada vote for the removal of the President in the final step. However, instead of the required 338 parliamentary deputies only 328 voted for the removal of the President." [0] [0] https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxdyx/vjicc5jt4ayk https://www.montesquieu-instituut.nl/9394000/1/j9vvllwqvzjxd...
- mopsi 2y agoThe internationally accepted standard is 2/3. Not a single country besides Russia recognized Yanukovych as the president of Ukraine after the vote, and even Russia gave up being a sore loser after a few months.