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"Does anyone really need an automobile?" People after the first automobile was invented.

by 7bit 2y ago

coffeebeqn 2y ago
Really? This is more like does anyone really need a car that goes 1000 mph
- modeless 2y ago
  I mean, if it has zero safety concerns and it's possible to actually go 1000 MPH on the freeway, then sign me up! Who wouldn't want to get there faster if there were no downsides?
  - coffeebeqn 2y ago
    The cost I guess
    - necovek 2y ago
      That's an obvious downside, though one usually easiest to figure out with economies of scale. OTOH, it's freaking hard to figure out safety at even 100km/h.
    - modeless 2y ago
      Sure, but the cost only applies to people who want the feature, so it's fine, right? I'll buy the 1 kHz monitor and you can buy the 60 Hz one.
  - lambdaxyzw 2y ago
    But there are safety concerns, and it's not possible to go 1000km/h on the highway. So there's not much point in having a 1000km/h car, because you will never use its full potential. Just like a 1khz display (supposedly).
    - modeless 2y ago
      The analogy is strained and no longer applicable. Sure, you won't be running Cyberpunk 2077 at 1 kHz, but you'll use a 1 kHz display to its full potential of imperceptible latency and eliminated motion blur in regular desktop use, with every movement of your mouse and scroll of its wheel. Even in gaming, less demanding games can hit 1000 Hz and console emulators will benefit from reduced latency too; you could actually beat CRT latency.
      - lambdaxyzw 2y ago
        Well, maybe I'm biased - I've tested a 120Hz monitor recently and I legitimately didn't see a huge difference between 60Hz. Maybe in mouse trails when I was intentionally looking for the difference. I can't imagine how insignificant the change to 1Khz would be for me. But I'm not a gamer and I've spent my whole life on screens like this, so maybe I'm just blind and other people are much more sensitive to this - in this case I agree my analogy doesn't make sense.
- logicchains 2y ago
  Driving a car isn't a good analogy because if we were driving a car remotely from a system with only 100hz refresh rate we'd definitely notice the difference even if only driving at 100 mph.
anticorporate 2y ago
It's a perfect analogy, because we pointlessly reshaped our world around automobiles before realizing that no, in fact, most of us didn't need one, and we would have been better off had we not created a society in which everyone has to have one in order to exist.
- theultdev 2y ago
  There was a lot of horse shit everywhere before cars. You could go back to bicycles but that's not great when you have a family of groceries and kitty litter to carry home in the rain. Or when need a trip to the hospital or any other emergency. So yes, many people need a car, and it enables personal freedom. I live in a small town you can walk end to end in 15 minutes, it has everything you need in a small area, but a car still makes life easier and more fun. How do you propose we structure society where you don't need cars?
  - Aaargh20318 2y ago
    > You could go back to bicycles but that's not great when you have a family of groceries and kitty litter to carry home in the rain. You’ve clearly never been to the Netherlands.
    - theultdev 2y ago
      I have, and there are bicycles littered everywhere and huge amounts of traffic on them. And no it doesn't solve the problems I listed. Those things are still difficult. If I'm feeling sick I guess my wife can hook a wagon to the bike and pull me. Don't get me wrong I bike around town all the time, but some days are really hot, some are really rainy, some days I need to carry more stuff than is possible on a bike, some days I'm not feeling well enough to bike.
      - zinodaur 2y ago
        Bikes, (non humiliating) public transport, and more compact city design all have to work together. I think cars in small towns are pretty sweet - but they suck for everyone in big cities. They take up huge amounts of space during rush hour, and move very few people compared to any form of transit you like

"Does anyone really need an automobile?" People after the first automobile was invented.

by 7bit 2y ago

"Does anyone really need an automobile?" People after the first automobile was invented.

coffeebeqn 2y ago

Really? This is more like does anyone really need a car that goes 1000 mph

modeless 2y ago
I mean, if it has zero safety concerns and it's possible to actually go 1000 MPH on the freeway, then sign me up! Who wouldn't want to get there faster if there were no downsides?
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  The cost I guess
  - necovek 2y ago
    That's an obvious downside, though one usually easiest to figure out with economies of scale. OTOH, it's freaking hard to figure out safety at even 100km/h.
  - modeless 2y ago
    Sure, but the cost only applies to people who want the feature, so it's fine, right? I'll buy the 1 kHz monitor and you can buy the 60 Hz one.
- lambdaxyzw 2y ago
  But there are safety concerns, and it's not possible to go 1000km/h on the highway. So there's not much point in having a 1000km/h car, because you will never use its full potential. Just like a 1khz display (supposedly).
  - modeless 2y ago
    The analogy is strained and no longer applicable. Sure, you won't be running Cyberpunk 2077 at 1 kHz, but you'll use a 1 kHz display to its full potential of imperceptible latency and eliminated motion blur in regular desktop use, with every movement of your mouse and scroll of its wheel. Even in gaming, less demanding games can hit 1000 Hz and console emulators will benefit from reduced latency too; you could actually beat CRT latency.
    - lambdaxyzw 2y ago
      Well, maybe I'm biased - I've tested a 120Hz monitor recently and I legitimately didn't see a huge difference between 60Hz. Maybe in mouse trails when I was intentionally looking for the difference. I can't imagine how insignificant the change to 1Khz would be for me. But I'm not a gamer and I've spent my whole life on screens like this, so maybe I'm just blind and other people are much more sensitive to this - in this case I agree my analogy doesn't make sense.
logicchains 2y ago
Driving a car isn't a good analogy because if we were driving a car remotely from a system with only 100hz refresh rate we'd definitely notice the difference even if only driving at 100 mph.

anticorporate 2y ago

It's a perfect analogy, because we pointlessly reshaped our world around automobiles before realizing that no, in fact, most of us didn't need one, and we would have been better off had we not created a society in which everyone has to have one in order to exist.

theultdev 2y ago
There was a lot of horse shit everywhere before cars. You could go back to bicycles but that's not great when you have a family of groceries and kitty litter to carry home in the rain. Or when need a trip to the hospital or any other emergency. So yes, many people need a car, and it enables personal freedom. I live in a small town you can walk end to end in 15 minutes, it has everything you need in a small area, but a car still makes life easier and more fun. How do you propose we structure society where you don't need cars?
- Aaargh20318 2y ago
  > You could go back to bicycles but that's not great when you have a family of groceries and kitty litter to carry home in the rain. You’ve clearly never been to the Netherlands.
  - theultdev 2y ago
    I have, and there are bicycles littered everywhere and huge amounts of traffic on them. And no it doesn't solve the problems I listed. Those things are still difficult. If I'm feeling sick I guess my wife can hook a wagon to the bike and pull me. Don't get me wrong I bike around town all the time, but some days are really hot, some are really rainy, some days I need to carry more stuff than is possible on a bike, some days I'm not feeling well enough to bike.
    - zinodaur 2y ago
      Bikes, (non humiliating) public transport, and more compact city design all have to work together. I think cars in small towns are pretty sweet - but they suck for everyone in big cities. They take up huge amounts of space during rush hour, and move very few people compared to any form of transit you like