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I would love to understand this better. Why do you think it is anti-curiosity to use LLMs? The original commenter did not say they used it for producing conte

I would love to understand this better. Why do you think it is anti-curiosity to use LLMs? The original commenter did not say they used it for producing content, so and auto complete is not really precise, is it? You could say that it is an advanced, stochastic knowledge-retrieval system. Does the workings of such merit your curiosity? Does the workings of compression algorithms merit your curiosity? Or are you merely and ignorant person already left behind due to your own inability to be curious?

anileated 2y ago
It sounded like the author is not trying to learn, say, how to run a business, but instead just proxies output of an unthinking tool. After the former, you come out with new knowledge and skill. After the latter, you come out none the wiser. > Does the workings of such merit your curiosity? Not really, if the workings of such are well-understood (like in case of LLMs). > Or are you merely and ignorant person already left behind You think you are mounting a personal attack that would make me feel humiliated, but you need to check who would be ignorant after what I outlined in the beginning of my comment.
- tossandthrow 2y ago
  > ... but instead just proxies output of an unthinking tool. After the former, you come out with new knowledge and skill. After the latter, you come out none the wiser. This reads like "bla bla bla" without any support. Let's try to dissect what you are saying 1. You are saying that LLMs are "unthinking tools" what is that? It does appear to be a made up word. What does it mean? 2. You set up a dichotomy between using this "unthinking tool" and running a business. Can you please point me to the passage where the commenter is saying that they are only doing one or the other, and not both? 3. You say that you become non the wiser by using this "unthinking tool". Would you extend that to all similar activities? Such as reading a book, reason blog articles, receiving lectures etc? > but you need to check who would be ignorant after what I outlined in the beginning of my comment. After you establishing false dichotomies and using non-existing words? You demonstrate neither being able to reason or use knowledge. The hallucinations from an LLM is strictly more useful that the hallucinations from you - At least they can be corrected.
coldtea 2y ago
>Why do you think it is anti-curiosity to use LLMs? "Don't need to study and trial/error to learn about business, I can get business advice in a box". It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII.
- tossandthrow 2y ago
  This reads like a comment from a person who has not tried to integrate LLMs into various workflows. Have you tried making and LLM draft a study plan for you? Kickstarting learning of a new area? Have you tried making an LLM correct your "homework" for your studies? When you try to learn a new language? Curiosity is about not being categorical - "It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII." is extremely categorical and thus, anti-curiosity.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    >This reads like a comment from a person who has not tried to integrate LLMs into various workflows This reads like a comment from a person who makes the discussion about the other person. >Curiosity is about not being categorical - "It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII." is extremely categorical and thus, anti-curiosity. You could say the exact same thing about someone criticizing regular Stack Overflow copy-pasting as lacking curiocity and hacking spirit. "Oh, that critique is so extremely categorical". Sorry, "that's categorical" is not the trump card you think it is.
    - tossandthrow 2y ago
      The root for this is a comment that urges to boycott some persons startup because they express that they were thankful for the advice they get from LLMs (a PhD in physics, that is). Yes, I find that commentary extremely inappropriate. And yes, I am defending my stance in the sub-threads. But tell me: you say that my critique of a reductionist categorical view on the use of LLMs (it is merely stack overflow...) is catagorical itself? Can you please elaborate on that.
      - coldtea 2y ago

anileated 2y ago

It sounded like the author is not trying to learn, say, how to run a business, but instead just proxies output of an unthinking tool. After the former, you come out with new knowledge and skill. After the latter, you come out none the wiser. > Does the workings of such merit your curiosity? Not really, if the workings of such are well-understood (like in case of LLMs). > Or are you merely and ignorant person already left behind You think you are mounting a personal attack that would make me feel humiliated, but you need to check who would be ignorant after what I outlined in the beginning of my comment.

tossandthrow 2y ago
> ... but instead just proxies output of an unthinking tool. After the former, you come out with new knowledge and skill. After the latter, you come out none the wiser. This reads like "bla bla bla" without any support. Let's try to dissect what you are saying 1. You are saying that LLMs are "unthinking tools" what is that? It does appear to be a made up word. What does it mean? 2. You set up a dichotomy between using this "unthinking tool" and running a business. Can you please point me to the passage where the commenter is saying that they are only doing one or the other, and not both? 3. You say that you become non the wiser by using this "unthinking tool". Would you extend that to all similar activities? Such as reading a book, reason blog articles, receiving lectures etc? > but you need to check who would be ignorant after what I outlined in the beginning of my comment. After you establishing false dichotomies and using non-existing words? You demonstrate neither being able to reason or use knowledge. The hallucinations from an LLM is strictly more useful that the hallucinations from you - At least they can be corrected.

coldtea 2y ago

>Why do you think it is anti-curiosity to use LLMs? "Don't need to study and trial/error to learn about business, I can get business advice in a box". It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII.

tossandthrow 2y ago
This reads like a comment from a person who has not tried to integrate LLMs into various workflows. Have you tried making and LLM draft a study plan for you? Kickstarting learning of a new area? Have you tried making an LLM correct your "homework" for your studies? When you try to learn a new language? Curiosity is about not being categorical - "It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII." is extremely categorical and thus, anti-curiosity.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >This reads like a comment from a person who has not tried to integrate LLMs into various workflows This reads like a comment from a person who makes the discussion about the other person. >Curiosity is about not being categorical - "It's Stack Overflow copy-pasting MkII." is extremely categorical and thus, anti-curiosity. You could say the exact same thing about someone criticizing regular Stack Overflow copy-pasting as lacking curiocity and hacking spirit. "Oh, that critique is so extremely categorical". Sorry, "that's categorical" is not the trump card you think it is.
  - tossandthrow 2y ago
    The root for this is a comment that urges to boycott some persons startup because they express that they were thankful for the advice they get from LLMs (a PhD in physics, that is). Yes, I find that commentary extremely inappropriate. And yes, I am defending my stance in the sub-threads. But tell me: you say that my critique of a reductionist categorical view on the use of LLMs (it is merely stack overflow...) is catagorical itself? Can you please elaborate on that.
    - coldtea 2y ago