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The ChatControl2.0 proposal was put forth by Ylva Johansson who is from the left in Sweden. She literally says "But think of the children" in every interview sh

The ChatControl2.0 proposal was put forth by Ylva Johansson who is from the left in Sweden. She literally says "But think of the children" in every interview she made after this. There has been many accusations of corruption, for example the council was in contact with the AI companies that stand to gain from getting this in law. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/ylva-johansson-ifragasatts-om-lobbying https://www.svt.se/nyheter/ylva-johansson-ifragasatts-om-lob... I don't like mass-surveillance or "dragnets" which are actually considered unconstitutional in the US (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragnet_(policing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragnet_(policing) ), where you make an extraordinary amount of people suspects in order to catch a single suspect. In medicine there is a number called NNT (Number Needed to Treat) which is a really good comparision to this. It's how many you have to treat with a medicine or procedure in order to help one patient. If that number goes up too large it's a bad sign, like if you would have to feed 1 million people a pill every day to avoid 1 heart attack per year. Here you have mass surveillance and an incredible breach of privacy of 500M citizens, in order to catch how many pedos? If they would even be caught by this at all to start with.

lambdaxyzw 2y ago
>If they would even be caught by this at all to start with. I doubt it. Teenagers sending each other naked pics, maybe (but after the law passes they will know they have no privacy and will stop doing that. I fear what awareness of constant surveillance does to a young brain). The actual pedophiles were always on top of their opsec game. In this case it sounds like they just need to opt-out of scanning and send each other obfuscated links or base64 encoded encrypted zip files in text? This is child's play, there were highly sophiasticated pedophile groups using tor-only infrastructure with forced opsec and rotating identifies every month. They never trusted mainstream chat apps, and they won't be affected. This only makes it possible to track regular people.
- neop1x 2y ago
  Can't upvote this enough. Such proposal is against the privacy and basic human rights or ordinary people (wveryone is guilty unless proved innocent). Big groups making and sharing such content won't be affected by this at all.

lambdaxyzw 2y ago

>If they would even be caught by this at all to start with. I doubt it. Teenagers sending each other naked pics, maybe (but after the law passes they will know they have no privacy and will stop doing that. I fear what awareness of constant surveillance does to a young brain). The actual pedophiles were always on top of their opsec game. In this case it sounds like they just need to opt-out of scanning and send each other obfuscated links or base64 encoded encrypted zip files in text? This is child's play, there were highly sophiasticated pedophile groups using tor-only infrastructure with forced opsec and rotating identifies every month. They never trusted mainstream chat apps, and they won't be affected. This only makes it possible to track regular people.

neop1x 2y ago
Can't upvote this enough. Such proposal is against the privacy and basic human rights or ordinary people (wveryone is guilty unless proved innocent). Big groups making and sharing such content won't be affected by this at all.