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Frankly, GB was totally right in leaving, and if I had the ability to vote for stay/leave right now, I'd want to go. But this position is totally unwanted. Yo

by lynx23 2y ago

Frankly, GB was totally right in leaving, and if I had the ability to vote for stay/leave right now, I'd want to go. But this position is totally unwanted. You're being called Nazi or at least extreme-right the minute you utter it. This way of dealing with supposed democracy is what makes me want to leave even more. The EU has become a strange beast. The current election ads make that pretty clear. It basically reduces to "vote us, we're cool, we are deocracy" which is almost dystopianly void of real content.

lambdaxyzw 2y ago
Where are you living, if you don't mind sharing? I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. And I disagree. You take for granted all the good regulating and all the things enabled by the EU, and focus on the one bad regulation we're discussing, which is not even a law yet. I, personally, am not looking forward to the future without EU (I remember my country before it joined and the progress is immense).
- Longhanks 2y ago
  > Where are you living, if you don't mind sharing? I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. Try the largest German-speaking subreddit, for example.
- effie 2y ago
  > I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. I think elsewhere online this may happen. Also, some public broadcasters use the "far right" word group suspiciously often, almost as if it was some kind of effort to softly suggest to people how not to vote, but I must be imagining things, because they would never do that:)
  - lynx23 2y ago
    Yeah, thats the problem. "they would never do that" has been violated far too often by supposedly centered media outlets. During corona, our state contrtrolled media actually really said that citizens are not supposed to listen to any other media because everyone else is likely lying. And since it is blatantly obvious that center-left parties will get a haircut for what they did during corona, again, the state controlled media are now doing exactly what you describe, warning the citizens of the evil right parties. And I am forced to pay for this, 50 cent a day. This isn't democracy anymore, its blatant manipulation of public opinion.
- lynx23 2y ago
  "Progress", sure. What you actually mean is "we got a lot of free money to build things with". Its easy to like the EU if you are in one of those countries that gets way more out then you have to put in.
vaylian 2y ago
GB has their own version of chat control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023
dflock 2y ago
England's government already passed essentially the same thing.
KptMarchewa 2y ago
UK has passed that law before EU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023
- Jensson 2y ago
  Yeah, UK left because they thought EU wasn't draconian enough.

by lynx23 2y ago

lambdaxyzw 2y ago

Where are you living, if you don't mind sharing? I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. And I disagree. You take for granted all the good regulating and all the things enabled by the EU, and focus on the one bad regulation we're discussing, which is not even a law yet. I, personally, am not looking forward to the future without EU (I remember my country before it joined and the progress is immense).

Longhanks 2y ago
> Where are you living, if you don't mind sharing? I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. Try the largest German-speaking subreddit, for example.
effie 2y ago
> I don't know about any place where expressing eurosceptic views would get you called "far right", let alone a Nazi. I think elsewhere online this may happen. Also, some public broadcasters use the "far right" word group suspiciously often, almost as if it was some kind of effort to softly suggest to people how not to vote, but I must be imagining things, because they would never do that:)
- lynx23 2y ago
  Yeah, thats the problem. "they would never do that" has been violated far too often by supposedly centered media outlets. During corona, our state contrtrolled media actually really said that citizens are not supposed to listen to any other media because everyone else is likely lying. And since it is blatantly obvious that center-left parties will get a haircut for what they did during corona, again, the state controlled media are now doing exactly what you describe, warning the citizens of the evil right parties. And I am forced to pay for this, 50 cent a day. This isn't democracy anymore, its blatant manipulation of public opinion.
lynx23 2y ago
"Progress", sure. What you actually mean is "we got a lot of free money to build things with". Its easy to like the EU if you are in one of those countries that gets way more out then you have to put in.

vaylian 2y ago

GB has their own version of chat control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

dflock 2y ago

England's government already passed essentially the same thing.

KptMarchewa 2y ago

UK has passed that law before EU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

Jensson 2y ago
Yeah, UK left because they thought EU wasn't draconian enough.