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jabber/xmpp is open standard and supports e2e encryption and can be self-hosted, has mobile clients

by slt2021 2y ago

rocqua 2y ago
How does it support e2e?
- rakel_rakel 2y ago
  By clients having support and/or plugins for things like OMEMO and OTR.
Hoodedcrow 2y ago
I use XMPP with OMEMO for my main encrypted messaging, and I don't get why Matrix got popular instead of XMPP (aside from a big marketing budget). Even a lighter server implementation takes up several times more resources than an XMPP server, plus the concerns about the enormous central instance. XMPP FTW.
- zx8080 2y ago
  Last time I checked (2018) the support for media&file sharing was in a quite bad shape in all available Android clients. Even without e2e encryption enabled. Is it good now?
  - Hoodedcrow 2y ago
    For Android - Conversations is in a very good shape now.
lifty 2y ago
Matrix supports e2e encryption, so it would be a good candidate for self hosting. I already do.
- nsvd 2y ago
  My only complaint with self-hosting matrix is that the canonical python implementation is quite resource-heavy. I was unable to run it on a cheap VPS. I hope that the ecosystem will improve in the future.
  - ptman 2y ago
    When did you test it? It has improved very much in the past five years.
  - lifty 2y ago
    I agree. I really prefer Dendrite, their Go server, but development has slowed down lately. Also, because of the financial issues they have been having, I don't have a lot of hope that Dendrite will get a lot of attention. Maybe Conduit(https://conduit.rs https://conduit.rs) will become more viable instead of Dendrite. We really need a small efficient build with no moving parts, for the self hosters community.
- Aerbil313 2y ago
  Matrix has shady foundations, being born out of a Israeli company with alleged ties to Israeli intelligence. See https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html
  - Arathorn 2y ago
    sigh. If you want to play project pedigree games; Matrix was actually the result of two existing teams - one in the UK and one in France, which happened to get acquired by Amdocs and then subsequently spun out once we'd created Matrix. That page in particular is a pile of FUD; it keeps banging on about "impressive collection of private data being sent to Matrix central servers, even when you use your own instance" which is simply categorically untrue; it looks like they misread the privacy policy of the Matrix.org server at https://github.com/element-hq/policies/blob/master/docs/matrix-org/privacy_notice.md https://github.com/element-hq/policies/blob/master/docs/matr... and somehow assumed it applied to everyone's server instances. It doesn't, any more than https://www.w3.org/policies/privacy https://www.w3.org/policies/privacy applies to a given random webserver on the internet :|
jamesponddotco 2y ago
Another vote for XMPP with OMEMO here. I use it my wife, family, and a few friends and haven't heard any complaints yet[1] (aside from the lack of stickers, which are apparently important). [1]: But like I said in another thread, who knows if they would directly complain to me.

jabber/xmpp is open standard and supports e2e encryption and can be self-hosted, has mobile clients

rocqua 2y ago

How does it support e2e?

rakel_rakel 2y ago
By clients having support and/or plugins for things like OMEMO and OTR.

Hoodedcrow 2y ago

I use XMPP with OMEMO for my main encrypted messaging, and I don't get why Matrix got popular instead of XMPP (aside from a big marketing budget). Even a lighter server implementation takes up several times more resources than an XMPP server, plus the concerns about the enormous central instance. XMPP FTW.

zx8080 2y ago
Last time I checked (2018) the support for media&file sharing was in a quite bad shape in all available Android clients. Even without e2e encryption enabled. Is it good now?
- Hoodedcrow 2y ago
  For Android - Conversations is in a very good shape now.

lifty 2y ago

Matrix supports e2e encryption, so it would be a good candidate for self hosting. I already do.

nsvd 2y ago
My only complaint with self-hosting matrix is that the canonical python implementation is quite resource-heavy. I was unable to run it on a cheap VPS. I hope that the ecosystem will improve in the future.
- ptman 2y ago
  When did you test it? It has improved very much in the past five years.
- lifty 2y ago
  I agree. I really prefer Dendrite, their Go server, but development has slowed down lately. Also, because of the financial issues they have been having, I don't have a lot of hope that Dendrite will get a lot of attention. Maybe Conduit(https://conduit.rs https://conduit.rs) will become more viable instead of Dendrite. We really need a small efficient build with no moving parts, for the self hosters community.
Aerbil313 2y ago
Matrix has shady foundations, being born out of a Israeli company with alleged ties to Israeli intelligence. See https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html
- Arathorn 2y ago
  sigh. If you want to play project pedigree games; Matrix was actually the result of two existing teams - one in the UK and one in France, which happened to get acquired by Amdocs and then subsequently spun out once we'd created Matrix. That page in particular is a pile of FUD; it keeps banging on about "impressive collection of private data being sent to Matrix central servers, even when you use your own instance" which is simply categorically untrue; it looks like they misread the privacy policy of the Matrix.org server at https://github.com/element-hq/policies/blob/master/docs/matrix-org/privacy_notice.md https://github.com/element-hq/policies/blob/master/docs/matr... and somehow assumed it applied to everyone's server instances. It doesn't, any more than https://www.w3.org/policies/privacy https://www.w3.org/policies/privacy applies to a given random webserver on the internet :|

jamesponddotco 2y ago

Another vote for XMPP with OMEMO here. I use it my wife, family, and a few friends and haven't heard any complaints yet[1] (aside from the lack of stickers, which are apparently important). [1]: But like I said in another thread, who knows if they would directly complain to me.