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We shouldn't leave, we should reform! That means power taken from the committee and brought to parliament. So the decision-making becomes more politicized, and

by rocqua 2y ago

We shouldn't leave, we should reform! That means power taken from the committee and brought to parliament. So the decision-making becomes more politicized, and thus more public. Politicizing isn't great, but without it the committee van fly under the radar. Moreover, without it the committee is fully beholden to the national governments, who won't be held to account for their decisions.

zo1 2y ago
I've stopped taking the whole "change it from withing / reform" arguments seriously when it comes to anything larger than a village or small community. The entire system has gotten to this point because the rules, processes and incentives all aligned and co-evolved to get it here. Every single one of those "memes" (borrowing from Dawkins here) will fight very hard for its own survival. And their survival depends on the status-quo staying as is without change. The only way forward is to not participate and/or burn it all down and start from scratch. And we all know what a polite and neutered society we are currently because things are relatively "okay" for us, so we're not at threat, so we're not willing to do the drastic measures necessary for correction here. That includes me, as I will not be sending my sons to the slaughter.
- lambdaxyzw 2y ago
  >The only way forward is to not participate and/or burn it all down and start from scratch. You can't honestly suggest that. From where? "village or small community" level?
  - Jensson 2y ago
    You can still legally leave the EU. But this draconian law has not passed yet and has been up many times before, most likely it wont pass.
  - zo1 2y ago
    It's not a perfect answer, and one can "not participate" in more ways than one. Also, it depends on the individual and what makes sense for them and their family. It's also a case of "picking your poison". So if the recent war wasn't happening, I'd be moving straight to Russia as right now it seems to be the sanest when it comes to these specific things. But that comes with dealing with some of the "negatives" as I'm sure you all can imagine. If money wasn't a problem, personally I'd fund some sort of island or floating-island community to promote self-sustainable practices whilst staying as far as practically possible from the craziness going on in the west.

by rocqua 2y ago

zo1 2y ago

I've stopped taking the whole "change it from withing / reform" arguments seriously when it comes to anything larger than a village or small community. The entire system has gotten to this point because the rules, processes and incentives all aligned and co-evolved to get it here. Every single one of those "memes" (borrowing from Dawkins here) will fight very hard for its own survival. And their survival depends on the status-quo staying as is without change. The only way forward is to not participate and/or burn it all down and start from scratch. And we all know what a polite and neutered society we are currently because things are relatively "okay" for us, so we're not at threat, so we're not willing to do the drastic measures necessary for correction here. That includes me, as I will not be sending my sons to the slaughter.

lambdaxyzw 2y ago
>The only way forward is to not participate and/or burn it all down and start from scratch. You can't honestly suggest that. From where? "village or small community" level?
- Jensson 2y ago
  You can still legally leave the EU. But this draconian law has not passed yet and has been up many times before, most likely it wont pass.
- zo1 2y ago
  It's not a perfect answer, and one can "not participate" in more ways than one. Also, it depends on the individual and what makes sense for them and their family. It's also a case of "picking your poison". So if the recent war wasn't happening, I'd be moving straight to Russia as right now it seems to be the sanest when it comes to these specific things. But that comes with dealing with some of the "negatives" as I'm sure you all can imagine. If money wasn't a problem, personally I'd fund some sort of island or floating-island community to promote self-sustainable practices whilst staying as far as practically possible from the craziness going on in the west.