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The same people who say they can’t take Signal seriously as a canary for anything because they did something with crypto are total cheerleaders for OpenAI even

by EGreg 2y ago

The same people who say they can’t take Signal seriously as a canary for anything because they did something with crypto are total cheerleaders for OpenAI even after it disbanded its ethics and alignment boards and did a lot of shady stuf. “Because crypto sucks in every way possible” and “because AI is awesome”. What about nuance and substance? This is HN. If you ask the average person, they’d say that people on HN and their snarky attitudes are far more unlikable than the people building decentralized networks that empower people. Vitalik Buterin. Tim Berners-Lee. Ian Clarke. The teams at IPFS, MaidSAFE, Freenet. I have interviewed many of them and spoken w them. They are humble, good people trying to make the world a better place. You just enjoy shitting on anything that has the word “web3”. Actually that keyword attracts automatic downvotes on HN since 2021, as in 3 seconds after you post. Try visiting, say, https://forum.autonomi.community/ https://forum.autonomi.community/ or https://ethereum-magicians.org/ https://ethereum-magicians.org/ and see now nice, courteous and constructive nearly every participant and post is. They are solving hard problems. Not shooting down snarkily anything in a cargo-cult fashion. Here is an interview I made with Ian Clarke for instance. Unlikeable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> If you ask the average person I don’t know Europe’s polling. But in America, the majority is against [1][2]. (The only ones showing marginal favour ability are industry polls [3] by low-quality pollsters [4].) > You just enjoy shitting on anything that has the word “web3” I’ve made a lot of money from investing in companies that do things around crypto. Its users are a population willing to pay high fees for nebulous ideological points, almost uniquely so outside religion and politics. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/just-8percent-of-americans-have-a-positive-view-of-cryptocurrencies-now-cnbc-survey-finds.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/just-8percent-of-americans-h... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/10/majority-of-americans-arent-confident-in-the-safety-and-reliability-of-cryptocurrency/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/10/majority-... [3] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Harris [4] https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240507551232/en/DCG-Poll-Reveals-One-in-Five-Battleground-State-Voters-Consider-Crypto-a-Key-Issue-in-2024-U.S.-Elections#:~:text=DCG%2C%20the,of%20voters https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240507551232/en/DCG...
- EGreg 2y ago
  Now show me what the majority thinks of “tech bros” commodifying everything and taking away everyone’s jobs, including and especially with OpenAI. Oh wait that part is awesome and people should just atop worrying and learn to love the bomb… I just don’t like the selective double standard of these arguments. Far less people are worried about blockchain than about AI, and the public is CORRECT. Because with Web3 even with the shittiest of shitcoins people only stand to risk what they voluntarily put at risk. While AI can harm millions of people who never opted in, and wanted nothing to do with it, across the entire world, their lives are going to change kicking and screaming, and you say “they should get used to it”. It is the politicians and banks looking to ban things because they are worried about competition to, say, CBDCs. And if you cheer them on then don’t get upset when they ban end to end encryption by the same reasoning. People actually want the freedom to choose their own digital assets. They aren’t sneaking around, they just want choice and the Republican party has come around to supporting crypto for instance. Even DT.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Now show me what the majority thinks of “tech bros” Declining but better than crypto, though the recency of the polling leaves much to be desired [1][2]. > taking away everyone’s jobs, including and especially with OpenAI Honestly, an AI that writes and launches web3 projects would be hilarious. Also, I’d single out AI—and Altman, specifically—as demonstrating that same unlikeability. The two industries currently clamouring for harsh regulation are AI and crypto. > politicians and banks looking to ban things because they are worried about competition to, say, CBDCs Banks lobby for crypto. It’s insanely profitable compared to regulated fare. Who do you think has been pushing the ETF and custody rules? > While AI can harm millions of people who never opted in The entire thread is about crypto trashing everyone’s privacy. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/329666/views-big-tech-worsen-public-wants-regulation.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/329666/views-big-tech-worsen-pu... [2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-americans-confidence-in-technology-firms-has-dropped-evidence-from-the-second-wave-of-the-american-institutional-confidence-poll/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-americans-confidence-...
fauigerzigerk 2y ago
I support (some forms of) cryptocurrencies and I support end-to-end encrypted messaging, but combining both in the same app is so obviously unintelligent that questioning the motives is inevitable. Cryptocurrencies are taxable assets. While private communication enjoys some legal protections in many countries, trading taxable assets does not. If an app allows you to trade taxable financial assets, it means that tax authorities have every right to demand access, even if it's just to confirm your claim that you didn't use the feature.

by EGreg 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> If you ask the average person I don’t know Europe’s polling. But in America, the majority is against [1][2]. (The only ones showing marginal favour ability are industry polls [3] by low-quality pollsters [4].) > You just enjoy shitting on anything that has the word “web3” I’ve made a lot of money from investing in companies that do things around crypto. Its users are a population willing to pay high fees for nebulous ideological points, almost uniquely so outside religion and politics. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/just-8percent-of-americans-have-a-positive-view-of-cryptocurrencies-now-cnbc-survey-finds.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/just-8percent-of-americans-h... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/10/majority-of-americans-arent-confident-in-the-safety-and-reliability-of-cryptocurrency/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/10/majority-... [3] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Harris [4] https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240507551232/en/DCG-Poll-Reveals-One-in-Five-Battleground-State-Voters-Consider-Crypto-a-Key-Issue-in-2024-U.S.-Elections#:~:text=DCG%2C%20the,of%20voters https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240507551232/en/DCG...

EGreg 2y ago
Now show me what the majority thinks of “tech bros” commodifying everything and taking away everyone’s jobs, including and especially with OpenAI. Oh wait that part is awesome and people should just atop worrying and learn to love the bomb… I just don’t like the selective double standard of these arguments. Far less people are worried about blockchain than about AI, and the public is CORRECT. Because with Web3 even with the shittiest of shitcoins people only stand to risk what they voluntarily put at risk. While AI can harm millions of people who never opted in, and wanted nothing to do with it, across the entire world, their lives are going to change kicking and screaming, and you say “they should get used to it”. It is the politicians and banks looking to ban things because they are worried about competition to, say, CBDCs. And if you cheer them on then don’t get upset when they ban end to end encryption by the same reasoning. People actually want the freedom to choose their own digital assets. They aren’t sneaking around, they just want choice and the Republican party has come around to supporting crypto for instance. Even DT.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Now show me what the majority thinks of “tech bros” Declining but better than crypto, though the recency of the polling leaves much to be desired [1][2]. > taking away everyone’s jobs, including and especially with OpenAI Honestly, an AI that writes and launches web3 projects would be hilarious. Also, I’d single out AI—and Altman, specifically—as demonstrating that same unlikeability. The two industries currently clamouring for harsh regulation are AI and crypto. > politicians and banks looking to ban things because they are worried about competition to, say, CBDCs Banks lobby for crypto. It’s insanely profitable compared to regulated fare. Who do you think has been pushing the ETF and custody rules? > While AI can harm millions of people who never opted in The entire thread is about crypto trashing everyone’s privacy. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/329666/views-big-tech-worsen-public-wants-regulation.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/329666/views-big-tech-worsen-pu... [2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-americans-confidence-in-technology-firms-has-dropped-evidence-from-the-second-wave-of-the-american-institutional-confidence-poll/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-americans-confidence-...

fauigerzigerk 2y ago

I support (some forms of) cryptocurrencies and I support end-to-end encrypted messaging, but combining both in the same app is so obviously unintelligent that questioning the motives is inevitable. Cryptocurrencies are taxable assets. While private communication enjoys some legal protections in many countries, trading taxable assets does not. If an app allows you to trade taxable financial assets, it means that tax authorities have every right to demand access, even if it's just to confirm your claim that you didn't use the feature.