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Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/31/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-d-graham-burnett.html?unlocked_article_code=1.wk0.qLua.MyHKb9x59Izu&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/31/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas... Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20240602044633/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/31/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-d-graham-burnett.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240602044633/https://www.nytim... There's a link to the transcript at the end of the post.