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I love it when I get asked to tip upfront right as I place my order. I thought the point of the tip was to reward good service.

tflol 2y ago
I've seen this enforced by the number of persons in your party (say, 6 minimum). If you come in with a ton of people at an establishment that expects tips, make a ton of noise, traumatize the front staff, completely destroy the place, then leave and tip 5%? I like the idea of an establishment financially protecting their employees that way.
- iJohnDoe 2y ago
  You make a good point, but that’s not what they are referencing. To-go places are asking for a tip on the payment terminal.
- justapassenger 2y ago
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- ok_dad 2y ago
  > financially protecting their employees They could just pay a living wage like most other countries where tipping is not a thing.
- lern_too_spel 2y ago
  Mandatory service charges cannot be counted as tip in California and must be reported as restaurant income. Also, the tipped minimum wage is no different from non-tipped minimum wage in California.
- kazinator 2y ago
  People deserve to be compensated extra for an hour of not being able to lean against the counter, playing with their phone? It's traumatizing to have a lot of business and have to work? The standard in business is that more volume brings about discounts. If you buy a larger order of parts from a supplier, your unit price is less than if you buy a small number. The only way surcharges for groups make sense is that groups can sometimes tie up the place due to staying longer, but that's a stretch. Groups also have a way of finishing up and getting the hell out, not much slower than someone dining alone. Every group lunch I remember, there have always been drinks, all round. Almost everyone has at least one glass of beer, save for the odd teetotalers and designated drivers. I will typically not order a beer if dining alone, or just with family. You have a big group, with everyone ordering food and most of them drinks (easy money) yet want an extra tax on top.

tflol 2y ago

I've seen this enforced by the number of persons in your party (say, 6 minimum). If you come in with a ton of people at an establishment that expects tips, make a ton of noise, traumatize the front staff, completely destroy the place, then leave and tip 5%? I like the idea of an establishment financially protecting their employees that way.

iJohnDoe 2y ago
You make a good point, but that’s not what they are referencing. To-go places are asking for a tip on the payment terminal.
justapassenger 2y ago
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ok_dad 2y ago
> financially protecting their employees They could just pay a living wage like most other countries where tipping is not a thing.
lern_too_spel 2y ago
Mandatory service charges cannot be counted as tip in California and must be reported as restaurant income. Also, the tipped minimum wage is no different from non-tipped minimum wage in California.
kazinator 2y ago
People deserve to be compensated extra for an hour of not being able to lean against the counter, playing with their phone? It's traumatizing to have a lot of business and have to work? The standard in business is that more volume brings about discounts. If you buy a larger order of parts from a supplier, your unit price is less than if you buy a small number. The only way surcharges for groups make sense is that groups can sometimes tie up the place due to staying longer, but that's a stretch. Groups also have a way of finishing up and getting the hell out, not much slower than someone dining alone. Every group lunch I remember, there have always been drinks, all round. Almost everyone has at least one glass of beer, save for the odd teetotalers and designated drivers. I will typically not order a beer if dining alone, or just with family. You have a big group, with everyone ordering food and most of them drinks (easy money) yet want an extra tax on top.