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MX-30 is a compliance car. It's a hybrid with the engine ripped out - there's literally huge empty space under the hood, but they haven't even bothered to move

by pornel 2y ago

MX-30 is a compliance car. It's a hybrid with the engine ripped out - there's literally huge empty space under the hood, but they haven't even bothered to move things around to make a frunk.

Marsymars 2y ago
Sure, but the state of the market means there’s nothing better. The reasonable competitors don’t have equivalent battery capacity and extra space under the hood, they have extra battery, which for my use is worse than empty space, it’s extra cost upfront plus extra weight to lug around.
- pornel 2y ago
  MX-30 is not particularly light, nor spacious compared to other "city" EVs. I get that Mazda has a reputable brand, but MX-30 is just an F.U. to the state of California. Mazda sells less than 10 of them per month. Not ten thousand. Just ten. There are small-battery trims of many EVs in the similar price range, usually with faster charging and better range: Kona, MG4, e-C4, Zoe, e-208, Fiat e500, for a slightly higher price there's Volvo EX30. And among short-range difficult-to-charge cars Leaf is cheaper.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    Again, to me, "more range" as a result of a bigger battery is a negative. And just out of curiosity, I compared local pricing (CAD) - a Kona starts $47k after rebates and incentives and an MX-30 starts at $39k, so pretty hefty difference. For that matter, even the Leaf starts at $42k. As for the Leaf, I wouldn't consider an EV without active cooling on the batteries unless the manufacturer included a lifetime battery warranty.
    - pornel 2y ago
      The talk of a light frugal battery is only a marketing spin. The range and usable capacity are small, but the gross battery capacity is only 11% smaller than in Leaf. MX-30 is heavier than Leaf, Kona, and even Tesla Model 3 SR/RWD.
      - Marsymars 2y ago
        > The talk of a light frugal battery is only a marketing spin. I've literally never seen any such marketing. All I've done is look at the spec sheet. > MX-30 is heavier than Leaf, Kona, and even Tesla Model 3 SR/RWD. Not the Kona. Marginally heavier than the lowest trim of the Leaf. But by having a smaller battery, the impression to me is that the weight goes to something useful, rather than battery, so I'm getting more car for the weight. (The base MX-30 is notably more featurful than the base Leaf.) Plus more car for the price, as I've previously mentioned.

by pornel 2y ago

MX-30 is a compliance car. It's a hybrid with the engine ripped out - there's literally huge empty space under the hood, but they haven't even bothered to move things around to make a frunk.

Marsymars 2y ago

Sure, but the state of the market means there’s nothing better. The reasonable competitors don’t have equivalent battery capacity and extra space under the hood, they have extra battery, which for my use is worse than empty space, it’s extra cost upfront plus extra weight to lug around.

pornel 2y ago
MX-30 is not particularly light, nor spacious compared to other "city" EVs. I get that Mazda has a reputable brand, but MX-30 is just an F.U. to the state of California. Mazda sells less than 10 of them per month. Not ten thousand. Just ten. There are small-battery trims of many EVs in the similar price range, usually with faster charging and better range: Kona, MG4, e-C4, Zoe, e-208, Fiat e500, for a slightly higher price there's Volvo EX30. And among short-range difficult-to-charge cars Leaf is cheaper.
- Marsymars 2y ago
  Again, to me, "more range" as a result of a bigger battery is a negative. And just out of curiosity, I compared local pricing (CAD) - a Kona starts $47k after rebates and incentives and an MX-30 starts at $39k, so pretty hefty difference. For that matter, even the Leaf starts at $42k. As for the Leaf, I wouldn't consider an EV without active cooling on the batteries unless the manufacturer included a lifetime battery warranty.
  - pornel 2y ago
    The talk of a light frugal battery is only a marketing spin. The range and usable capacity are small, but the gross battery capacity is only 11% smaller than in Leaf. MX-30 is heavier than Leaf, Kona, and even Tesla Model 3 SR/RWD.
    - Marsymars 2y ago
      > The talk of a light frugal battery is only a marketing spin. I've literally never seen any such marketing. All I've done is look at the spec sheet. > MX-30 is heavier than Leaf, Kona, and even Tesla Model 3 SR/RWD. Not the Kona. Marginally heavier than the lowest trim of the Leaf. But by having a smaller battery, the impression to me is that the weight goes to something useful, rather than battery, so I'm getting more car for the weight. (The base MX-30 is notably more featurful than the base Leaf.) Plus more car for the price, as I've previously mentioned.