> no BS at all? No spyware, touch screens, etc If that's your definition of BS, then there's basically no vehicle on the market for you, with any energy source

> no BS at all? No spyware, touch screens, etc If that's your definition of BS, then there's basically no vehicle on the market for you, with any energy source. But we can read the subtext: you want an EV but don't want to buy a Tesla. My advice to you is to rent a Model 3/Y LR for a few weeks from Turo or wherever and see if your actual problems are with the actual technical details you think are your problem. Most likely they're not, and in fact you're probably going to recoil from the idea of driving the car at all. In which case, well, at least you know to have the fight on the right grounds. "I hate Musk" is unfalsifiable, so the rest of us can stop trying to explain how well the UI actually works.