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The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding.

kqr 2y ago
Bikeshedding -- that thing where large teams spend a long time discussing an insignificant but concrete and highly intuitive detail? I don't think model of airliner fits that definition.
- xvector 2y ago
  Bikeshedding, when you waste brainpower on discussing something irrelevant when there are far more pressing problems to consider. Like worrying about your Boeing flight while you drive to the airport, over 150,000x more likely to die on said drive :)
  - navane 2y ago
    Oh the irony
  - burnished 2y ago
    No no no, that isn't bikeshedding, what you're describing is being dismissive.
constantcrying 2y ago
>The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding. If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane.
- xvector 2y ago
  > If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane. This is not true, you are still tens of thousands of times more likely to die.
  - calf 2y ago
    Setting aside the frequentist probability premises, the argument that "Cars are way, way, way more dangerous than airplanes" -- while true, and reasonable, and would not be as dismissive a point if it were recognized that car culture is so normalized and widely internalized by individuals and less so the fault or ridiculous irrationality of said individuals -- is not really relevant to the argument that "Airbus is a safer airplane than Boeing given how each company is run nowadays." Like, based on your simple frequentist argument, should Boeing be above FAA scrutiny? Let's just tell the FAA to spend more time on reforming car culture, too? People shouldn't bother voting with their feet?
  - lenkite 2y ago
    Yes, that is true. https://trid.trb.org/View/348068 https://trid.trb.org/View/348068

kqr 2y ago

Bikeshedding -- that thing where large teams spend a long time discussing an insignificant but concrete and highly intuitive detail? I don't think model of airliner fits that definition.

xvector 2y ago
Bikeshedding, when you waste brainpower on discussing something irrelevant when there are far more pressing problems to consider. Like worrying about your Boeing flight while you drive to the airport, over 150,000x more likely to die on said drive :)
- navane 2y ago
  Oh the irony
- burnished 2y ago
  No no no, that isn't bikeshedding, what you're describing is being dismissive.

constantcrying 2y ago

>The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding. If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane.

xvector 2y ago
> If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane. This is not true, you are still tens of thousands of times more likely to die.
- calf 2y ago
  Setting aside the frequentist probability premises, the argument that "Cars are way, way, way more dangerous than airplanes" -- while true, and reasonable, and would not be as dismissive a point if it were recognized that car culture is so normalized and widely internalized by individuals and less so the fault or ridiculous irrationality of said individuals -- is not really relevant to the argument that "Airbus is a safer airplane than Boeing given how each company is run nowadays." Like, based on your simple frequentist argument, should Boeing be above FAA scrutiny? Let's just tell the FAA to spend more time on reforming car culture, too? People shouldn't bother voting with their feet?
- lenkite 2y ago
  Yes, that is true. https://trid.trb.org/View/348068 https://trid.trb.org/View/348068