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Will you also avoid ever getting in a car? Because statistically speaking, you're far more likely to die in a car crash than in a Boeing plane. Edit: In the la

Will you also avoid ever getting in a car? Because statistically speaking, you're far more likely to die in a car crash than in a Boeing plane. Edit: In the last decade, in the US, about 2 people have been killed from aviation, and 365,000 people from car crashes.

starttoaster 2y ago
You also have some control over the car whereas your life is entirely in the hands of some random people you don’t know and some Boeing equipment in the plane.
- jeromegv 2y ago
  As if people don’t get hit by other drivers.
  - starttoaster 2y ago
    I never said other people don't get hit by other drivers. Take a step back, you are having an emotional reaction and not thinking clearly. What I mean is: people in general feel more comfortable having some form of control. Autopilot is fine until autopilot stops working, and then you want to have a method of taking over as pilot. In a plane where you have a hurt sense of confidence in the plane's integrity, it would be easy to imagine increased anxiety for people because they have no control; all they can do is sit in their seat and try not to panic. That's hard for some people, if not everyone. Especially in a situation where the plane is actively malfunctioning.
- kqr 2y ago
  If it was anywhere close to feasible, I would absolutely prefer a pair of professional pilots up front driving my car. Their training, systems knowledge, checklists, emergency procedures, etc. are far better than anything I can do when I exercise "some control over the car".
llamaimperative 2y ago
How costly is it to one's quality of life to avoid being in a car versus having a different departure time and sitting on an Airbus instead?
- xvector 2y ago
  The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding.
  - kqr 2y ago
    Bikeshedding -- that thing where large teams spend a long time discussing an insignificant but concrete and highly intuitive detail? I don't think model of airliner fits that definition.
    - xvector 2y ago
      Bikeshedding, when you waste brainpower on discussing something irrelevant when there are far more pressing problems to consider. Like worrying about your Boeing flight while you drive to the airport, over 150,000x more likely to die on said drive :)
      - navane 2y ago
        Oh the irony
      - burnished 2y ago
        No no no, that isn't bikeshedding, what you're describing is being dismissive.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding. If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane.
tamimio 2y ago
Correct, but now examine the survival rate statistics for each category. A person might experience numerous car accidents in their lifetime, yet it only takes one aircraft accident to be fatal.
- xvector 2y ago
  The statistics I reference are not likelihood of accidents but likelihood of death. You are tens of thousands of times more likely to die when you get in a car versus a plane.
- stouset 2y ago
  I’m going to wager you haven’t actually looked at these, because they don’t remotely support your case. Aircraft accidents are quite survivable. See figures 3 and 4: https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/Part121AccidentSurvivability.aspx https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/Part121AccidentSurviv...
  - tamimio 2y ago
    Any recent report that includes the models in question?
    - stouset 2y ago
      You think you’re being clever (Oh ho! I’ll include the two MAX 8 crashes and show him!) but surely if you actually cared about the actual safety of flying today you’d want to exclude issues with a system that’s been fixed. If we were having this discussion in 2018 or 2019 you’d have a point. We aren’t. You don’t. Instead you’re being driven by your gut and what you want to feel is true. No, sorry, air travel is wildly safer than essentially every other form of transportation available to you by essentially every single metric. The majority of even serious aircraft accidents are survived by the majority of occupants. Hell, a Boeing crashed at SFO a few years back. It landed short of the runway and cartwheeled. Two people died from the crash because they hadn’t been wearing seat belts. A landing Airbus in Tokyo sliced through a coast guard plane just the other month. The coast guard plane was fucked, but zero people died aboard the passenger jet. This is the norm for commercial aviation accidents. These aren’t the incidents that come to mind for you and that’s understandable. But it is wrong.
OutOfHere 2y ago
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starttoaster 2y ago

You also have some control over the car whereas your life is entirely in the hands of some random people you don’t know and some Boeing equipment in the plane.

jeromegv 2y ago
As if people don’t get hit by other drivers.
- starttoaster 2y ago
  I never said other people don't get hit by other drivers. Take a step back, you are having an emotional reaction and not thinking clearly. What I mean is: people in general feel more comfortable having some form of control. Autopilot is fine until autopilot stops working, and then you want to have a method of taking over as pilot. In a plane where you have a hurt sense of confidence in the plane's integrity, it would be easy to imagine increased anxiety for people because they have no control; all they can do is sit in their seat and try not to panic. That's hard for some people, if not everyone. Especially in a situation where the plane is actively malfunctioning.
kqr 2y ago
If it was anywhere close to feasible, I would absolutely prefer a pair of professional pilots up front driving my car. Their training, systems knowledge, checklists, emergency procedures, etc. are far better than anything I can do when I exercise "some control over the car".

llamaimperative 2y ago

How costly is it to one's quality of life to avoid being in a car versus having a different departure time and sitting on an Airbus instead?

xvector 2y ago
The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding.
- kqr 2y ago
  Bikeshedding -- that thing where large teams spend a long time discussing an insignificant but concrete and highly intuitive detail? I don't think model of airliner fits that definition.
  - xvector 2y ago
    Bikeshedding, when you waste brainpower on discussing something irrelevant when there are far more pressing problems to consider. Like worrying about your Boeing flight while you drive to the airport, over 150,000x more likely to die on said drive :)
    - navane 2y ago
      Oh the irony
    - burnished 2y ago
      No no no, that isn't bikeshedding, what you're describing is being dismissive.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >The likelihood of dying in a car crash is so dramatically higher that even thinking about changing your flight is a classic case of bikeshedding. If you enter a car, your chance of dying on that trip is lower vs. when you enter a plane.

tamimio 2y ago

Correct, but now examine the survival rate statistics for each category. A person might experience numerous car accidents in their lifetime, yet it only takes one aircraft accident to be fatal.

xvector 2y ago
The statistics I reference are not likelihood of accidents but likelihood of death. You are tens of thousands of times more likely to die when you get in a car versus a plane.
stouset 2y ago
I’m going to wager you haven’t actually looked at these, because they don’t remotely support your case. Aircraft accidents are quite survivable. See figures 3 and 4: https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/Part121AccidentSurvivability.aspx https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/Part121AccidentSurviv...
- tamimio 2y ago
  Any recent report that includes the models in question?
  - stouset 2y ago
    You think you’re being clever (Oh ho! I’ll include the two MAX 8 crashes and show him!) but surely if you actually cared about the actual safety of flying today you’d want to exclude issues with a system that’s been fixed. If we were having this discussion in 2018 or 2019 you’d have a point. We aren’t. You don’t. Instead you’re being driven by your gut and what you want to feel is true. No, sorry, air travel is wildly safer than essentially every other form of transportation available to you by essentially every single metric. The majority of even serious aircraft accidents are survived by the majority of occupants. Hell, a Boeing crashed at SFO a few years back. It landed short of the runway and cartwheeled. Two people died from the crash because they hadn’t been wearing seat belts. A landing Airbus in Tokyo sliced through a coast guard plane just the other month. The coast guard plane was fucked, but zero people died aboard the passenger jet. This is the norm for commercial aviation accidents. These aren’t the incidents that come to mind for you and that’s understandable. But it is wrong.

OutOfHere 2y ago

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