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And you are probably basing that on the fact that the two standard lipid markers for HDL and LDL went up, right? And you probably ignored any that the ratio pr

And you are probably basing that on the fact that the two standard lipid markers for HDL and LDL went up, right? And you probably ignored any that the ratio probably improved between "good" and "bad" lipids? I guess you didn't just eat lots of bad fats but also improved the composition of fats you ate? Lipid research is sponsored by pharma a lot. They need to push their statins. Anecdotal datum of one: I happen to have high cholesterol no matter what I do. You have to fast in order to do the lipid blood tests. Sometimes I forgot to fast and have even eaten eggs. My lipid profile was better in those cases. I also got muscle cramps from taking statins. The heart is a muscle and those cramps can kill you. Instantly.

shlant 2y ago
> And you probably ignored any that the ratio probably improved between "good" and "bad" lipids? "For predicting your risk of heart disease, many healthcare professionals now believe that determining your non-HDL cholesterol level may be more useful than calculating your cholesterol ratio"[1]. Additionally, "extremely high HDL-C levels are associated with an increased risk of age-related macular degeneration (also genetically), infectious disease, and all-cause mortality."[2] [1]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol-ratio/faq-20058006 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-ch... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10119031/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10119031/ > Lipid research is sponsored by pharma a lot. They need to push their statins. A comment in a keto/low carb discussion believing in a statin conspiracy? shocked. > Anecdotal datum of one Entirely irrelevant
- tharkun__ 2y ago
  [1] It's funny. My Browser shows I visited that link before ;) A comment in a keto/low carb discussion believing in a statin conspiracy? shocked. I'm not on Keto. I'm not on an actual low carb diet. I'm just not afraid of eating lots of good fats. I'm not afraid of eggs or cream any longer. I don't believe in a "statin conspiracy". There's no conspiracy needed. We've seen over and over again with lots of things that companies favor funding research that shows something that sells their product or they outright lie (sorry "do marketing"). Leaded gasoline? Milk is good for you, make your children drink more? Butter is bad? The statins causing muscle cramps are a fact and not a conspiracy. I got statins in ever increasing dosages because they didn't help. When the cramps started, my doctor took me off statins. When I then did try Keto all of my blood markers that were either bad or borderline went into completely normal territory. Except for lipids that did the usual "hover around some really high and absolutely bad for you territory". Again, a datum of one. But when all the things done to me with evidence from statistically relevant studies and research doesn't help and actually makes things worse but the statistically not significant thing works to improve all of the markers of statistically proven blood testing, then this anecdotal internet person here will stick with what works. YMMV as always. Entirely irrelevant My anecdotal datum of one was marked as such. On purpose. No need for this entirely irrelevant comment of yours. The person I replied to did not and drew a wide ranging societally generalizing argument from his datum of one.

shlant 2y ago

> And you probably ignored any that the ratio probably improved between "good" and "bad" lipids? "For predicting your risk of heart disease, many healthcare professionals now believe that determining your non-HDL cholesterol level may be more useful than calculating your cholesterol ratio"[1]. Additionally, "extremely high HDL-C levels are associated with an increased risk of age-related macular degeneration (also genetically), infectious disease, and all-cause mortality."[2] [1]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol-ratio/faq-20058006 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-ch... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10119031/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10119031/ > Lipid research is sponsored by pharma a lot. They need to push their statins. A comment in a keto/low carb discussion believing in a statin conspiracy? shocked. > Anecdotal datum of one Entirely irrelevant

tharkun__ 2y ago
[1] It's funny. My Browser shows I visited that link before ;) A comment in a keto/low carb discussion believing in a statin conspiracy? shocked. I'm not on Keto. I'm not on an actual low carb diet. I'm just not afraid of eating lots of good fats. I'm not afraid of eggs or cream any longer. I don't believe in a "statin conspiracy". There's no conspiracy needed. We've seen over and over again with lots of things that companies favor funding research that shows something that sells their product or they outright lie (sorry "do marketing"). Leaded gasoline? Milk is good for you, make your children drink more? Butter is bad? The statins causing muscle cramps are a fact and not a conspiracy. I got statins in ever increasing dosages because they didn't help. When the cramps started, my doctor took me off statins. When I then did try Keto all of my blood markers that were either bad or borderline went into completely normal territory. Except for lipids that did the usual "hover around some really high and absolutely bad for you territory". Again, a datum of one. But when all the things done to me with evidence from statistically relevant studies and research doesn't help and actually makes things worse but the statistically not significant thing works to improve all of the markers of statistically proven blood testing, then this anecdotal internet person here will stick with what works. YMMV as always. Entirely irrelevant My anecdotal datum of one was marked as such. On purpose. No need for this entirely irrelevant comment of yours. The person I replied to did not and drew a wide ranging societally generalizing argument from his datum of one.