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> According to the RIAA’s former CEO, Hilary Rosen, a few months after Napster’s release, the music industry shifted into full panic mode. In February 2000, all

> According to the RIAA’s former CEO, Hilary Rosen, a few months after Napster’s release, the music industry shifted into full panic mode. In February 2000, all major label executives discussed the threat during an RIAA board meeting at the Four Seasons Hotel in Los Angeles. > “I will never forget this day. All of the heads of the labels, literally the titans of the music business, were in that room. I had somebody wheel in a PC and put some speakers up and I started doing a name that tune,” Rosen later recalled. > The major music bosses started to name tracks, including some that weren’t even released yet, and time and again Napster would come up with results. Needless to say, the board was terrified. They're about to be more terrified. Suno and Udio are just the beginning of the complete unraveling of the need for studio capital. It's going to happen to Hollywood too.

gedy 2y ago
Maybe, but don't discount media lobbying gov't, and trying to generate moral outrage about AI stealing from artists, deep fakes, AI safety, etc to make sure only big corps control AI.
- jkolio 2y ago
  One of the funniest moments in modern music history, to me, was when Kim Dotcom got a bunch of superstars to sing on a track about how much they loved MegaUpload. One of the least funny moments was when the RIAA and MPAA essentially directed American and New Zealand authorities to raid his house, shut down the MegaUpload website, seize all the servers, and jail a bunch of his employees (Kim himself only barely escaping extradition). Episodes like that really do make me fearful of what corporations might push government to do. If they want to get you on something that isn't illegal, they'll try to make it illegal. If it's already illegal, they'll try to make the punishment as severe as possible. Oversight of, and accountability from, these entities is paramount.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  >AI stealing from artists, deep fakes, AI safety This isn't generated outage, it's genuine, and objectively justified. Trying to find clients was hard enough for artists to begin with. We should be automating hard labor so we can focus on art and human interaction, but instead we're automating art and interaction so we can focus on slaving away even harder. This is somehow worse than any traditional dystopia story. Government propaganda posters were at least the work of a human hand.
  - echelon 2y ago
    It's not a conscious choice. It's the fact that the convolutions that create human visual and auditory pleasure are simple signals relative to logic and reasoning. Nature itself is somehow shaped such that it is easier to create beautiful patterns than it is to engineer complex logical deductions. It is a fundamental aspect of physics and reality. Beauty is just simple patterns. We figured out that art is simple math. Engineering and law and planning not so much.
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      I'd phrase it as: pop art and culture have been optimizing themselves against the human psyche for so long (much longer than engineering and law and planning) that we have a pretty firm bead on what an every-person will like (mathematically-speaking). There's tons of avant garde art, but on average it's less popular (because that's not what it's optimized for). I wouldn't be surprised if GenAI commoditizes pop art, but in turn creates greater demand for abstract, more unique forms.
      - skydhash 2y ago
        By its nature, pop art and culture reduce itself to the common expectations of everyone. And as such has only few knobs to tune. But humans can appreciate a wide range of qualities and the more you play on these dimensions, the more reduced the people that will "get" it and appreciate it. GenAI can be great for pop art, but try to create something unique to you or another person, and it will fail miserably.
        echelon 2y ago
        > GenAI can be great for pop art, but try to create something unique to you or another person, and it will fail miserably. GenAI is just a tool. Creating unique art with unique perspectives is going to be more accessible to more people. Not everyone will put the work in, but there's a new opportunity in a world full of opportunity cost.
sumedh 2y ago
Steve Jobs was able to use their fear to sign up most publishers on itunes.
- 39896880 2y ago
  And sell outrageously priced MP3 players. There’s no way people were stocking those things with music they paid for.
  - QuarterReptile 2y ago
    Mostly, yeah. My dad, brothers, and I (all one household) had probably 200 CDs between us that we ripped and listened to repeatedly. Paid once per person? Doubtful, but yes, we paid.
  - echelon 2y ago
    This is exactly what happens when a reverse salient collapses and opens up a new channel of distribution.
    - jdenning 2y ago
      OT: thanks for introducing me to the term “reverse salient”! That’s a very useful concept.
  - musicale 2y ago
    > outrageously priced MP3 players Like the best Apple designs, the iPod redefined its product category. And it put Apple back on track for ARM-based mobile devices. > There’s no way people were stocking those things with music they paid for Indeed. But you could also rip physical CDs, and the iTunes store managed to sell a lot of 99 cent song downloads, as it was legal, easier than messing with file sharing, and cheaper than buying a whole CD just for a single song. Arguably the music industry messed up greatly by not making CD singles cheap and ubiquitous (and solving issues with 3" CDs in slot-loading car players, etc.)
  - samatman 2y ago
    > no wireless. less space than a nomad. outrageously expensive
localfirst 2y ago
I was reading parents comment with a bit of cynicism until I tried suno and I believe we are going to see significant garnishing of wages in creative field https://suno.com/song/dc950e10-6bbe-4649-8cdb-7a4d81762aae https://suno.com/song/dc950e10-6bbe-4649-8cdb-7a4d81762aae
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  I believe we are going to see significant garnishing of wages in creative field A wage garnishment is any legal or equitable procedure through which some portion of a person's earnings is required to be withheld for the payment of a debt. Most garnishments are made by court order. You think because of auto generated music there are going to be court orders to take money out of the paychecks of people in 'creative fields'? Garnish wages means taking money out of what someone has already earned.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - localfirst 2y ago
    Reduced wages then shall we

gedy 2y ago

Maybe, but don't discount media lobbying gov't, and trying to generate moral outrage about AI stealing from artists, deep fakes, AI safety, etc to make sure only big corps control AI.

jkolio 2y ago
One of the funniest moments in modern music history, to me, was when Kim Dotcom got a bunch of superstars to sing on a track about how much they loved MegaUpload. One of the least funny moments was when the RIAA and MPAA essentially directed American and New Zealand authorities to raid his house, shut down the MegaUpload website, seize all the servers, and jail a bunch of his employees (Kim himself only barely escaping extradition). Episodes like that really do make me fearful of what corporations might push government to do. If they want to get you on something that isn't illegal, they'll try to make it illegal. If it's already illegal, they'll try to make the punishment as severe as possible. Oversight of, and accountability from, these entities is paramount.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
>AI stealing from artists, deep fakes, AI safety This isn't generated outage, it's genuine, and objectively justified. Trying to find clients was hard enough for artists to begin with. We should be automating hard labor so we can focus on art and human interaction, but instead we're automating art and interaction so we can focus on slaving away even harder. This is somehow worse than any traditional dystopia story. Government propaganda posters were at least the work of a human hand.
- echelon 2y ago
  It's not a conscious choice. It's the fact that the convolutions that create human visual and auditory pleasure are simple signals relative to logic and reasoning. Nature itself is somehow shaped such that it is easier to create beautiful patterns than it is to engineer complex logical deductions. It is a fundamental aspect of physics and reality. Beauty is just simple patterns. We figured out that art is simple math. Engineering and law and planning not so much.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    I'd phrase it as: pop art and culture have been optimizing themselves against the human psyche for so long (much longer than engineering and law and planning) that we have a pretty firm bead on what an every-person will like (mathematically-speaking). There's tons of avant garde art, but on average it's less popular (because that's not what it's optimized for). I wouldn't be surprised if GenAI commoditizes pop art, but in turn creates greater demand for abstract, more unique forms.
    - skydhash 2y ago
      By its nature, pop art and culture reduce itself to the common expectations of everyone. And as such has only few knobs to tune. But humans can appreciate a wide range of qualities and the more you play on these dimensions, the more reduced the people that will "get" it and appreciate it. GenAI can be great for pop art, but try to create something unique to you or another person, and it will fail miserably.
      - echelon 2y ago
        > GenAI can be great for pop art, but try to create something unique to you or another person, and it will fail miserably. GenAI is just a tool. Creating unique art with unique perspectives is going to be more accessible to more people. Not everyone will put the work in, but there's a new opportunity in a world full of opportunity cost.

sumedh 2y ago

Steve Jobs was able to use their fear to sign up most publishers on itunes.

39896880 2y ago
And sell outrageously priced MP3 players. There’s no way people were stocking those things with music they paid for.
- QuarterReptile 2y ago
  Mostly, yeah. My dad, brothers, and I (all one household) had probably 200 CDs between us that we ripped and listened to repeatedly. Paid once per person? Doubtful, but yes, we paid.
- echelon 2y ago
  This is exactly what happens when a reverse salient collapses and opens up a new channel of distribution.
  - jdenning 2y ago
    OT: thanks for introducing me to the term “reverse salient”! That’s a very useful concept.
- musicale 2y ago
  > outrageously priced MP3 players Like the best Apple designs, the iPod redefined its product category. And it put Apple back on track for ARM-based mobile devices. > There’s no way people were stocking those things with music they paid for Indeed. But you could also rip physical CDs, and the iTunes store managed to sell a lot of 99 cent song downloads, as it was legal, easier than messing with file sharing, and cheaper than buying a whole CD just for a single song. Arguably the music industry messed up greatly by not making CD singles cheap and ubiquitous (and solving issues with 3" CDs in slot-loading car players, etc.)
- samatman 2y ago
  > no wireless. less space than a nomad. outrageously expensive

localfirst 2y ago

I was reading parents comment with a bit of cynicism until I tried suno and I believe we are going to see significant garnishing of wages in creative field https://suno.com/song/dc950e10-6bbe-4649-8cdb-7a4d81762aae https://suno.com/song/dc950e10-6bbe-4649-8cdb-7a4d81762aae

CyberDildonics 2y ago
I believe we are going to see significant garnishing of wages in creative field A wage garnishment is any legal or equitable procedure through which some portion of a person's earnings is required to be withheld for the payment of a debt. Most garnishments are made by court order. You think because of auto generated music there are going to be court orders to take money out of the paychecks of people in 'creative fields'? Garnish wages means taking money out of what someone has already earned.
- deleted 2y ago
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- localfirst 2y ago
  Reduced wages then shall we