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Unless people are caught red-handed fabricating those, how can you know it's fake? You think that cross-referencing or having "reliable sources" like Wikipedia

Unless people are caught red-handed fabricating those, how can you know it's fake? You think that cross-referencing or having "reliable sources" like Wikipedia will help you know what's going on on the other side of world (e.g Ukraine/Russia)? It's probable even the people in the involved countries don't truly know what's going on. The only facts are what I can perceive with my own senses and what comes directly from people I know enough to have a judgment I consider reliable on their trustworthiness. Fact is that entities using the expression fake news are often not better than the ones they accuse.

alpaca128 2y ago
> The only facts are what I can perceive with my own senses Our perception and memories are known to be very unreliable.
yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
The russian federation have repeatedly been shown to produce fake news. Massive amounts of fake news. Suggesting that nobody can really know the difference between fantasy and reality is a misinformation tactic used by the kremlin to create more useful idiots who suggest the same.
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
  Can you imagine that "the kremlin" says the same to its population? Why do you think your own powers that be are any different? Reading your comments in this thread, I know beforehand that my replying will be useless, but I'm bored.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    The kremlin said that Ukraine invaded russia. The rest of the world said russia invaded Ukraine. If you can’t see which one is right and which one is wrong, then yes, there’s no point in you replying, to anyone, about anything.
kmudrick 2y ago
>The only facts are what I can perceive with my own senses and what comes directly from people I know enough to have a judgment I consider reliable on their trustworthiness. "My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush!" - The Waterboy If the Waterboy trusts Mama does this make it a fact?
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
  I don't see your point, you can judge you own mother untrustworthy. The point is that you need to have an extended and real life contact with someone before deciding to trust them. Ultimately, the word "fact" in this context means "what someone considers a fact". You can be wrong, but if you can't trust your own senses or judgment, how can you live in this world? Well, rhetorical question, since there are no sincere solipsists.
jemmyw 2y ago
I'm well aware that Western media aren't necessarily reporting the ground truth about that war. But it's an interesting one in that there's so much camera footage, mostly from Ukrainians, but also from Russian soldiers with smartphones. So, while current events are always skewed in reporting, osint has been able to piece together a more accurate picture afterwards.

alpaca128 2y ago

> The only facts are what I can perceive with my own senses Our perception and memories are known to be very unreliable.

yakshaving_jgt 2y ago

The russian federation have repeatedly been shown to produce fake news. Massive amounts of fake news. Suggesting that nobody can really know the difference between fantasy and reality is a misinformation tactic used by the kremlin to create more useful idiots who suggest the same.

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
Can you imagine that "the kremlin" says the same to its population? Why do you think your own powers that be are any different? Reading your comments in this thread, I know beforehand that my replying will be useless, but I'm bored.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  The kremlin said that Ukraine invaded russia. The rest of the world said russia invaded Ukraine. If you can’t see which one is right and which one is wrong, then yes, there’s no point in you replying, to anyone, about anything.

kmudrick 2y ago

>The only facts are what I can perceive with my own senses and what comes directly from people I know enough to have a judgment I consider reliable on their trustworthiness. "My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush!" - The Waterboy If the Waterboy trusts Mama does this make it a fact?

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
I don't see your point, you can judge you own mother untrustworthy. The point is that you need to have an extended and real life contact with someone before deciding to trust them. Ultimately, the word "fact" in this context means "what someone considers a fact". You can be wrong, but if you can't trust your own senses or judgment, how can you live in this world? Well, rhetorical question, since there are no sincere solipsists.

jemmyw 2y ago

I'm well aware that Western media aren't necessarily reporting the ground truth about that war. But it's an interesting one in that there's so much camera footage, mostly from Ukrainians, but also from Russian soldiers with smartphones. So, while current events are always skewed in reporting, osint has been able to piece together a more accurate picture afterwards.