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Can we do this without messing up our hair and makeup? What is the benefit over a traditionally produced movie? Why do I want this experience, what makes it sup

by dangus 2y ago

Can we do this without messing up our hair and makeup? What is the benefit over a traditionally produced movie? Why do I want this experience, what makes it superior? Has the general public been demanding that their content work this way, that the biggest pain point with traditional content is the inability to generate it on the fly? The status quo is that I can pay something like $10 a month to get access to hundreds of critically-acclaimed shows crafted be extremely skilled specialists that I can watch on my $300 55” 4K TV screen. The average American spends about 5 hours watching content (TV and digital) per day. So let’s take the Vision Pro at $3500. We’re going to make the battery life 5x longer, we will also remove any straps or pieces of the device that touch your face since that messes up hair and makeup, so we can say now it’s a pair of glasses. And we’re going to reduce the cost from $3500 to $300 to match the price of a 55” TV from Costco. We will also add on-device AI processing so that this product can deliver on your vision. Which technology advancements in the next 10-20 years are going to make something like that remotely possible? In the 15 years that we’ve had modern smartphones on the market when have they ever dropped in price by 10x or gained battery life by 5x? I can’t seem to buy a new iPhone for $60 that gets a week of battery life. These sci-fi future visions are hilarious in how shortsighted they are, like when The Jetsons “predicted” living in the sky with flying cars. Of course the problem is that doing something like that has no benefits and a laundry list of drawbacks and impracticalities.

aurareturn 2y ago
Let me ask you, is watching content on a 2D display the best way to experience a crafted story? If your answer is yes, nothing I say will convince you. If your answer is no, then something will replace content on 2D screens for story telling.
- wruza 2y ago
  The answer is neither, because 2D stories are crafted under a specific paradigm which everyone "gets" with time, so it's a default but not a natural one. E.g. people don't act irl like in movies/animations and events don't get viewed from efficient angles with repetitions and timely attention switches. So no, 2D isn't the best way cause we had to adapt 3D-to-3D to it. On your initial comment, there's already a {f|c}ringe group of LLM users who use [E]RP to participate in... scenarios (text, can generate pics using SD). It's hardly googlable, you may or may not want to dig into this, I warned.
- dangus 2y ago
  I can fully accept that what VR gives you is far more immersive, but if you’ve got no answer to the laundry list of downsides. It doesn’t really matter that it’s better at some point. We as the mainstream consumer don’t all run out and buy racing simulator rigs just because it’s better than playing on an Xbox controller. Plenty of higher technology products fail when simple and cheap solutions compete with them. If you want to tell me that 3D, depth, and space is main the draw, I could point to the various failures of 3D movies and television that were supposedly the technologies of the future. I used to own a VR headset, a Valve Index. I loved it for what it was. Games on that system were immersive like nothing I had experienced before. But there were numerous downsides. Cost, not really solved by today’s products. Eye fatigue, not solved even by the Vision Pro. Group experience. Not really solved unless you’re a total hermit. Am I going to go to enjoy a SuperBowl party where all the attendees are wearing a VR headset? How does VR benefit the experience of watching shows with family/friends on the couch? Is it an upgrade to put on individual headsets and using virtual avatars? How do I cuddle and kiss my spouse while we watch a movie with a headsets on? How do I watch VR content at a bar or restaurant? Multitasking: At best not an upgrade, at worst a downgrade. If I use a TV I can watch the show talk to my friend and order toilet paper on my smartphone that I already own at the same time. What upgrade am I getting there with VR? Battery life. Not solved. Can I even get through a SuperBowl game on a headset? Is my SuperBowl party going to be a group of 30 people standing around the power outlet? Nausea and VR acclimation. We could call this partially solved. A pretty high percentage of the population just can’t do VR physically. Sweaty face, messed up hair, not solved. Period. Compatibility with corrective vision: not really solved, every headset needs custom prescription lenses or needs space to fit glasses (this was uncomfortable in my Index, I was lucky to be able to wear contacts). Visual fidelity: not solved, a standard TVs still beat the Vision Pro at pixels per FOV. 4K per eye includes all the periphery vision that doesn’t represent the main focus of your content. Profit, not solved. The only companies making a profit on VR are companies like Valve that aren’t burning cash on R&D. How long will public companies like Meta and Apple tolerate wildly unprofitable product lines? which Apple product that sold under 500,000 units at launch is still with us today? Maybe the Mac Pro? Let’s also not forget that high technology in the medium isn’t typically the driver of what is popular in content. The 5th highest grossing film in 2023 was a film shot on analog film technology that primarily used practical effects. The most watched show in 2023 was a cop procedural that has been on antenna television for over 20 years. The top selling video game of all time is Minecraft. Nobody really cares about being blown away by immersive visuals when they just want to watch deckhands on a chartered yacht reality show sleep around and gossip.

by dangus 2y ago

aurareturn 2y ago

Let me ask you, is watching content on a 2D display the best way to experience a crafted story? If your answer is yes, nothing I say will convince you. If your answer is no, then something will replace content on 2D screens for story telling.

wruza 2y ago
The answer is neither, because 2D stories are crafted under a specific paradigm which everyone "gets" with time, so it's a default but not a natural one. E.g. people don't act irl like in movies/animations and events don't get viewed from efficient angles with repetitions and timely attention switches. So no, 2D isn't the best way cause we had to adapt 3D-to-3D to it. On your initial comment, there's already a {f|c}ringe group of LLM users who use [E]RP to participate in... scenarios (text, can generate pics using SD). It's hardly googlable, you may or may not want to dig into this, I warned.
dangus 2y ago
I can fully accept that what VR gives you is far more immersive, but if you’ve got no answer to the laundry list of downsides. It doesn’t really matter that it’s better at some point. We as the mainstream consumer don’t all run out and buy racing simulator rigs just because it’s better than playing on an Xbox controller. Plenty of higher technology products fail when simple and cheap solutions compete with them. If you want to tell me that 3D, depth, and space is main the draw, I could point to the various failures of 3D movies and television that were supposedly the technologies of the future. I used to own a VR headset, a Valve Index. I loved it for what it was. Games on that system were immersive like nothing I had experienced before. But there were numerous downsides. Cost, not really solved by today’s products. Eye fatigue, not solved even by the Vision Pro. Group experience. Not really solved unless you’re a total hermit. Am I going to go to enjoy a SuperBowl party where all the attendees are wearing a VR headset? How does VR benefit the experience of watching shows with family/friends on the couch? Is it an upgrade to put on individual headsets and using virtual avatars? How do I cuddle and kiss my spouse while we watch a movie with a headsets on? How do I watch VR content at a bar or restaurant? Multitasking: At best not an upgrade, at worst a downgrade. If I use a TV I can watch the show talk to my friend and order toilet paper on my smartphone that I already own at the same time. What upgrade am I getting there with VR? Battery life. Not solved. Can I even get through a SuperBowl game on a headset? Is my SuperBowl party going to be a group of 30 people standing around the power outlet? Nausea and VR acclimation. We could call this partially solved. A pretty high percentage of the population just can’t do VR physically. Sweaty face, messed up hair, not solved. Period. Compatibility with corrective vision: not really solved, every headset needs custom prescription lenses or needs space to fit glasses (this was uncomfortable in my Index, I was lucky to be able to wear contacts). Visual fidelity: not solved, a standard TVs still beat the Vision Pro at pixels per FOV. 4K per eye includes all the periphery vision that doesn’t represent the main focus of your content. Profit, not solved. The only companies making a profit on VR are companies like Valve that aren’t burning cash on R&D. How long will public companies like Meta and Apple tolerate wildly unprofitable product lines? which Apple product that sold under 500,000 units at launch is still with us today? Maybe the Mac Pro? Let’s also not forget that high technology in the medium isn’t typically the driver of what is popular in content. The 5th highest grossing film in 2023 was a film shot on analog film technology that primarily used practical effects. The most watched show in 2023 was a cop procedural that has been on antenna television for over 20 years. The top selling video game of all time is Minecraft. Nobody really cares about being blown away by immersive visuals when they just want to watch deckhands on a chartered yacht reality show sleep around and gossip.