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If you don’t read the article or do not have showdead on in your profile, you may miss that it is related to players according to the article from Russia or Belarus using VPN’s to bypass restrictions. “Players in these countries have taken to using VPNs to change their location to be able to access Steam in other parts of the world where the restrictions aren’t in place. (…) Valve has smartened up to this practice and has made it difficult to do and many users are banned once it is discovered.”

defrost 2y ago
Players actively banned in two countries, enforcing the Helldivers 2 has been delisted in 177 countries, despite the repealed PSN requirement shitshow that has surrounded the release: https://www.videogamer.com/news/playstation-secretly-locked-177-countries-out-of-helldivers-2-despite-repealing-the-psn-requirement/ https://www.videogamer.com/news/playstation-secretly-locked-... TBH this is a difficult story for an outside such as myself to get across the current state of play; there are many press articles outlining different aspects of an evolving clusterfuck of release requirements and walkbacks.
leereeves 2y ago
Sony's decision to forbid people in certain countries from playing Helldivers 2 was bad policy, and caused a lot of backlash. I'm surprised Valve would support Sony's rather unpopular side in this issue. They should be encouraging the use of VPNs to bypass arbitrary and unfair geofencing.
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- page_fault 2y ago
  Sony is a joke of a company. Players from Central Asian countries used Russian PSN for years because Sony did not have a local presence. After leaving Russia and Belarus, they still refused to establish presence in those countries because it then might be used by players from Russia and Belarus to circumvent sanctions. So according to them it's fine not only to collectively punish people of those two countries, but also to drag in completely innocent third parties because of what might happen. IMHO what they actually think is "you're not worth our money to bother to go through all the bureaucratic processes", and it would be far less insulting if they just said so directly, but I guess this may have something to do with Japanese notions of politeness. The best thing people could do these kinds of situations is "buying" their games on the closest torrent tracker. What I actually see is people spending money on VPNs and payment cards from far away places to still give them money. (I don't do either, fuck them.)
- ffsm8 2y ago
  Valve bans people using VPN because it has localized pricing. They had an issue with people switching to a Russian IP to buy a game and pay only a fraction of the correct price, so they started banning these people. So no, they're not taking sonys side. They're just protecting their bottom line, and people trying to evade geo locks are just also affected It's been a thing for years and non-US PC gamers have hated it just as long, as there is a lot of censoring in some countries. (Which you now have to either live with or pirate)
  - leereeves 2y ago
    Simple solution: allow people evading geo locks or censorship to do so, as long as they switch to high cost regions.
  - anotherhue 2y ago
    I thought the pricing was based on the card's billing address?
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    - ffsm8 2y ago
      I believe it is nowadays, yes. So my phrasing was incorrect wrt the current situation I guess. People currently trying to evade the geo locking will likely either purchase an account, a US steam key through other sites such as G2A or simply get a prepaid US visa I think the point I made was still applicable though, despite VPN no longer being an option to purchase the game. The used method to evade the geo locking doesn't have an impact on the game costing different amounts depending on the area.

defrost 2y ago

Players actively banned in two countries, enforcing the Helldivers 2 has been delisted in 177 countries, despite the repealed PSN requirement shitshow that has surrounded the release: https://www.videogamer.com/news/playstation-secretly-locked-177-countries-out-of-helldivers-2-despite-repealing-the-psn-requirement/ https://www.videogamer.com/news/playstation-secretly-locked-... TBH this is a difficult story for an outside such as myself to get across the current state of play; there are many press articles outlining different aspects of an evolving clusterfuck of release requirements and walkbacks.

leereeves 2y ago

Sony's decision to forbid people in certain countries from playing Helldivers 2 was bad policy, and caused a lot of backlash. I'm surprised Valve would support Sony's rather unpopular side in this issue. They should be encouraging the use of VPNs to bypass arbitrary and unfair geofencing.

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page_fault 2y ago
Sony is a joke of a company. Players from Central Asian countries used Russian PSN for years because Sony did not have a local presence. After leaving Russia and Belarus, they still refused to establish presence in those countries because it then might be used by players from Russia and Belarus to circumvent sanctions. So according to them it's fine not only to collectively punish people of those two countries, but also to drag in completely innocent third parties because of what might happen. IMHO what they actually think is "you're not worth our money to bother to go through all the bureaucratic processes", and it would be far less insulting if they just said so directly, but I guess this may have something to do with Japanese notions of politeness. The best thing people could do these kinds of situations is "buying" their games on the closest torrent tracker. What I actually see is people spending money on VPNs and payment cards from far away places to still give them money. (I don't do either, fuck them.)
ffsm8 2y ago
Valve bans people using VPN because it has localized pricing. They had an issue with people switching to a Russian IP to buy a game and pay only a fraction of the correct price, so they started banning these people. So no, they're not taking sonys side. They're just protecting their bottom line, and people trying to evade geo locks are just also affected It's been a thing for years and non-US PC gamers have hated it just as long, as there is a lot of censoring in some countries. (Which you now have to either live with or pirate)
- leereeves 2y ago
  Simple solution: allow people evading geo locks or censorship to do so, as long as they switch to high cost regions.
- anotherhue 2y ago
  I thought the pricing was based on the card's billing address?
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  - ffsm8 2y ago
    I believe it is nowadays, yes. So my phrasing was incorrect wrt the current situation I guess. People currently trying to evade the geo locking will likely either purchase an account, a US steam key through other sites such as G2A or simply get a prepaid US visa I think the point I made was still applicable though, despite VPN no longer being an option to purchase the game. The used method to evade the geo locking doesn't have an impact on the game costing different amounts depending on the area.