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> the only winning move is not to play. And with so much sun, that is a very viable option. A roof covered in solar and some batteries and you'll never deal wi

by grecy 2y ago

> the only winning move is not to play. And with so much sun, that is a very viable option. A roof covered in solar and some batteries and you'll never deal with this nonsense ever again.

dmitrygr 2y ago
It is illegal in California to disconnect a residential house from the grid. It’s ca. They wouldn’t make it THAT easy to opt out of their insanity.
- orhmeh09 2y ago
  Source?
  - alwa 2y ago
    Lawyers argued that Title 24 required that residential buildings be interconnected with the grid [0] [1], but 2022 updates to the code seem to have clarified that standalone solar PV systems with storage are OK (though they should still be meet the same standards as grid-connected systems would) [2] In any case the small number of people who can afford to do so and want to do so seem to be doing so [3] [0] https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/grid-detection-vol10no1.pdf https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri... [1] https://klinedinstlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/how-title-24-is-keeping-california-connected-to-the-grid.pdf https://klinedinstlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/how-tit... [2] https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/building-energy-efficiency-standards/online-resource-center/overview https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/build... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/168mlxw/possiblelegal_to_go_completely_off_grid_in/?rdt=63325 https://www.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/168mlxw/possiblelega...
- reacharavindh 2y ago
  Are there fixed costs to having a connection? As in can one have a connection to the grid as a backup pay negligible amounts every month since they don’t use it?
  - koolba 2y ago
    They added a new fixed fee to cover this exact situation. Even if you do not use any power you’d be billed that fixed fee every month.
  - currents 2y ago
    Anyone living in CA want to check their bill? I think there's a fixed fee for grid connection similar to nat gas. Curious what this is
- ChoGGi 2y ago
  If you stop payments, do they turn off their service?
- grecy 2y ago
  > It is illegal in California to disconnect a residential house from the grid. Huh? Are you saying I'm forced into a contract with a private company with a monthly fee? ... what happens if I simply have no money, and get the service terminated due to lack of payment?
  - dmitrygr 2y ago
    Yes

by grecy 2y ago

> the only winning move is not to play. And with so much sun, that is a very viable option. A roof covered in solar and some batteries and you'll never deal with this nonsense ever again.

dmitrygr 2y ago

It is illegal in California to disconnect a residential house from the grid. It’s ca. They wouldn’t make it THAT easy to opt out of their insanity.

orhmeh09 2y ago
Source?
- alwa 2y ago
  Lawyers argued that Title 24 required that residential buildings be interconnected with the grid [0] [1], but 2022 updates to the code seem to have clarified that standalone solar PV systems with storage are OK (though they should still be meet the same standards as grid-connected systems would) [2] In any case the small number of people who can afford to do so and want to do so seem to be doing so [3] [0] https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/grid-detection-vol10no1.pdf https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri... [1] https://klinedinstlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/how-title-24-is-keeping-california-connected-to-the-grid.pdf https://klinedinstlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/how-tit... [2] https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/building-energy-efficiency-standards/online-resource-center/overview https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/build... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/168mlxw/possiblelegal_to_go_completely_off_grid_in/?rdt=63325 https://www.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/168mlxw/possiblelega...
reacharavindh 2y ago
Are there fixed costs to having a connection? As in can one have a connection to the grid as a backup pay negligible amounts every month since they don’t use it?
- koolba 2y ago
  They added a new fixed fee to cover this exact situation. Even if you do not use any power you’d be billed that fixed fee every month.
- currents 2y ago
  Anyone living in CA want to check their bill? I think there's a fixed fee for grid connection similar to nat gas. Curious what this is
ChoGGi 2y ago
If you stop payments, do they turn off their service?
grecy 2y ago
> It is illegal in California to disconnect a residential house from the grid. Huh? Are you saying I'm forced into a contract with a private company with a monthly fee? ... what happens if I simply have no money, and get the service terminated due to lack of payment?
- dmitrygr 2y ago
  Yes