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> OS makers (here mainly Microsoft and Apple) to increase margins via including tracking and ads into the system Not sure I see it on Apple. macOS is free. The

by wenc 2y ago

> OS makers (here mainly Microsoft and Apple) to increase margins via including tracking and ads into the system Not sure I see it on Apple. macOS is free. There are no ads in it. I don't see ads on Windows either, unless you mean bloatware.

joshspankit 2y ago
Pushed (“recommended”) content is a type of ad
- philistine 2y ago
  Apple has recommandations in their stores since the beginning, all the way back in 2001 for the iTunes Store. Apple has ads in Apple News+, which is a terrible thing for something you’re paying for already. Apple has recommandations in their subscription services of other things on their service. That’s not an ad. That’s a recommandation. Is there something I’m missing?
talldayo 2y ago
> macOS is free. There are no ads in it. macOS advertises the following: - iCloud (demanded in settings via a perpetual notification pip) - Sponsored content in the App Store, Spotlight Search - Safari, which will complain if you don't use it enough (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228) - AppleTV (I do not know a single living soul that pays for this service; why is it preinstalled?) - Apple Music (which by-default launches when you put on your headphones, with a modal asking you to subscribe) It very obviously has advertisements, by both Apple's own admission and simple recognition of dark patterns. > I don't see ads on Windows either Oh good grief: - Windows 8: Sponsored content in Microsoft Store, Groove Music ads, Microsoft Edge nags, Live Tile sponsored content, OneDrive nags, Microsoft Office advertisements... hell hath no fury like the advertisers that designed Windows 8. - Windows 10: Special advertisement modals for Windows 11, Microsoft Store nags get worse, Cortana serves Bing advertisements, Xbox Game Pass advertisements, paid video codec advertisements, worse OneDrive nags and whatever the hell "Microsoft Movies & TV" is. Office is a subscription now called "365", and Microsoft really wants you to buy-in. - Windows 11: The entire news feature. All of it is ads. Your search has ads, your start menu has a "recommended" page with ads, your browser sends you ads in other browsers so you can use a more ad-ridden browser.

by wenc 2y ago

joshspankit 2y ago

Pushed (“recommended”) content is a type of ad

philistine 2y ago
Apple has recommandations in their stores since the beginning, all the way back in 2001 for the iTunes Store. Apple has ads in Apple News+, which is a terrible thing for something you’re paying for already. Apple has recommandations in their subscription services of other things on their service. That’s not an ad. That’s a recommandation. Is there something I’m missing?

talldayo 2y ago

> macOS is free. There are no ads in it. macOS advertises the following: - iCloud (demanded in settings via a perpetual notification pip) - Sponsored content in the App Store, Spotlight Search - Safari, which will complain if you don't use it enough (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228) - AppleTV (I do not know a single living soul that pays for this service; why is it preinstalled?) - Apple Music (which by-default launches when you put on your headphones, with a modal asking you to subscribe) It very obviously has advertisements, by both Apple's own admission and simple recognition of dark patterns. > I don't see ads on Windows either Oh good grief: - Windows 8: Sponsored content in Microsoft Store, Groove Music ads, Microsoft Edge nags, Live Tile sponsored content, OneDrive nags, Microsoft Office advertisements... hell hath no fury like the advertisers that designed Windows 8. - Windows 10: Special advertisement modals for Windows 11, Microsoft Store nags get worse, Cortana serves Bing advertisements, Xbox Game Pass advertisements, paid video codec advertisements, worse OneDrive nags and whatever the hell "Microsoft Movies & TV" is. Office is a subscription now called "365", and Microsoft really wants you to buy-in. - Windows 11: The entire news feature. All of it is ads. Your search has ads, your start menu has a "recommended" page with ads, your browser sends you ads in other browsers so you can use a more ad-ridden browser.