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I'm sure your anecdotal experience is true for you, but funding is not linked to clearance rates. Counter to copaganda, police are worse at solving cases compar

I'm sure your anecdotal experience is true for you, but funding is not linked to clearance rates. Counter to copaganda, police are worse at solving cases compared to 30 years ago, even as crime rates have fallen dramatically and funding has increased. If you think preventing and solving crimes, then American police are objectively bad at their jobs. If you think of police as revenue generators, then they're good at it. Because the police spend all their time on things like traffic citations. Even the police unions occasionally say the quite part out loud, like when the NYPD union famously said that they would not arrest anyone "unless absolutely necessary". Unsurprisingly to people that have looked into policing, crime doesn't increase during police work slowdowns.

hluska 2y ago
Are you saying that police should arrest people when it’s not necessary? How do you figure that?
- DFHippie 2y ago
  It's the cops who said that. I assume that's why the phrase is in quotes. Apparently they themselves believed they performed some arrests that weren't "absolutely necessary". They said this as a threat to influence negotiations. You should take this question up with them.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    NYPD is an MBA style police agency. The management wants to hit their KPIs. If the bosses want jaywalking tickets, they swarm like bees. Arresting someone for robbery fucks up the metric for the local commander. It’s like any big dumb company. The officers are like salesmen, and they are trained to do whatever bullshit the boss wants.
  - hluska 2y ago
    Why be combative? I was curious about a statement and wanted to learn. But seriously, why he combative? People used to be able to ask questions without being told to take it up with the NYPD. The entire world wants to fight and frankly, it’s embarrassing.
Hnrobert42 2y ago
It’s sorta hard to trust that your data is unbiased fact when you use the term “copaganda.”
- jonathankoren 2y ago
  I mean, if you weren't smugly comfortable in your biases, you could always just do a search, say for "FBI crime rate by year", or "police clearance rates by year", or "police funding per year", but I guess not.
  - j16sdiz 2y ago
    It is different on fed level, state level and City level.
    - jonathankoren 2y ago
      Not really
  - fragmede 2y ago
    that has nothing to do with the fact that using that word causes people to stop listening to you
    - paulmd 2y ago
      weee wooo weee wooo here comes the tone police! (if only real cops could get that kind of response time/clearance rate!) like that’s just a shitty argument yourself, you lost the argument on the facts so you’re complaining about how the presentation. Lazy argumentation, it’s a way to attack the messenger(‘s presentation) instead of addressing the argument. It’s the highbrow version of “minor spelling mistake!!!!”.
      - hluska 2y ago
        I just asked this question and I’ll ask it again. Why be so combative? You wrote the sound of a siren - that’s overly combative. Fucking chill. This is a website, few of us are politicians and our opinions barely matter.

hluska 2y ago

Are you saying that police should arrest people when it’s not necessary? How do you figure that?

DFHippie 2y ago
It's the cops who said that. I assume that's why the phrase is in quotes. Apparently they themselves believed they performed some arrests that weren't "absolutely necessary". They said this as a threat to influence negotiations. You should take this question up with them.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  NYPD is an MBA style police agency. The management wants to hit their KPIs. If the bosses want jaywalking tickets, they swarm like bees. Arresting someone for robbery fucks up the metric for the local commander. It’s like any big dumb company. The officers are like salesmen, and they are trained to do whatever bullshit the boss wants.
- hluska 2y ago
  Why be combative? I was curious about a statement and wanted to learn. But seriously, why he combative? People used to be able to ask questions without being told to take it up with the NYPD. The entire world wants to fight and frankly, it’s embarrassing.

Hnrobert42 2y ago

It’s sorta hard to trust that your data is unbiased fact when you use the term “copaganda.”

jonathankoren 2y ago
I mean, if you weren't smugly comfortable in your biases, you could always just do a search, say for "FBI crime rate by year", or "police clearance rates by year", or "police funding per year", but I guess not.
- j16sdiz 2y ago
  It is different on fed level, state level and City level.
  - jonathankoren 2y ago
    Not really
- fragmede 2y ago
  that has nothing to do with the fact that using that word causes people to stop listening to you
  - paulmd 2y ago
    weee wooo weee wooo here comes the tone police! (if only real cops could get that kind of response time/clearance rate!) like that’s just a shitty argument yourself, you lost the argument on the facts so you’re complaining about how the presentation. Lazy argumentation, it’s a way to attack the messenger(‘s presentation) instead of addressing the argument. It’s the highbrow version of “minor spelling mistake!!!!”.
    - hluska 2y ago
      I just asked this question and I’ll ask it again. Why be so combative? You wrote the sound of a siren - that’s overly combative. Fucking chill. This is a website, few of us are politicians and our opinions barely matter.