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No. Linux might be the best way to miss out on AI bandwagon. These new developments are here to stay. The years of privacy loss and getting worried with the sho

No. Linux might be the best way to miss out on AI bandwagon. These new developments are here to stay. The years of privacy loss and getting worried with the shortcomings of social media and internet is over. We are in the new era with new challenges. There is no rolling back.

Glyptodon 2y ago
I don't really get what part of the bandwagon Linux users will really miss out on at the OS level? It's not like you can't use stuff like github copilot and it's really only a moderate productivity boost in many cases.
Narhem 2y ago
We need another AI winter to get these dudes off the train.
ekianjo 2y ago
missing out is a feature. Microsoft will infest its OS with AI driven ads faster than you think
- bitwize 2y ago
  We're gonna be like those people from Rainbows End who are still rocking laptops in an era where everybody is semi-permanently interfaced to the net through wearable gear.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Thats basically how I see it already between those that only know abstracted tech and those who have peeked behind the curtain and know how the magic box actually works.
- kube-system 2y ago
  They didn't really need AI to accomplish that
- lannisterstark 2y ago
  I'm not sure it is. I'm looking forward to several of those features (including recall) because they will undoubtedly improve over time, for all their flaws. LLMs and "AI" features have made my life significantly easier over the last two years.
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    taking snapshots of your whole PC activity is a major recipe for disaster.
    - lannisterstark 2y ago
      As I said in another comment in this thread: There have been countless times where I was like "Oh I remember there was a book I was searching but not what the name is." and I didn't know what the name was, when I was looking for it, or the terms that I used for it. THIS is when I expect it to be useful. I'm fine with taking snapshots of my whole PC activity, as long as data is stored locally. I take plenty of screenshots myself. People act like they have never used a computer for productivity. --- Again, if someone has physical access to my PC, I have better things to worry about.
  - segfaltnh 2y ago
    I can't remember the last time a new OS feature legitimately improved my workflow. Maybe Expose on Mac. Marginally. I don't expect anything like Recall to make me more effective. Stuff I feel that has made me more effective in 20y includes: Jetbrains products, GSuite (collab editing), GitHub and Git, insanely faster computers. But, none of these are really OS features.
    - lannisterstark 2y ago
      >I don't expect anything like Recall to make me more effective. I expect stuff like Recall to help me y'know...Recall. There have been countless times where I was like "Oh I remember there was a book I was searching but not what the name is." and I didn't know what the name was, when I was looking for it, or the terms that I used for it. THIS is when I expect it to be useful.
talldayo 2y ago
Speak for yourself, Linux runs AI just fine when you want it. The big difference is that I get to choose where it lives, not my OEM (who let's face it, doesn't care how AI is implemented). Sign me up for missing out. I also don't use native DirectX, first-party filesystem drivers, Office 365 or Dropbox/iCloud. I'll happily add AI to the list, if I have to.
blooalien 2y ago
What's to miss out on? Experimenting with or even building useful "AI" tools? Nope. Not missing out on that. There's Ollama (and a bunch of other) local (your machine, not someone else's) "AI" model runners native to Linux. There's also a ton of great Python libraries which connect just as happily to a local "AI" instance as they will to a remote API. Much "AI" research already happens on Linux. Using other useful tools other people have written? Nope. Not missing out there either. Same reason. Tons of great tools already exist to run "AI" assisted tasks of various kinds natively on Linux connecting to a locally running model. All that stays securely on my machine / network, and doesn't "phone home" (as can be confirmed by reading the source code of the open source "AI" tools by anyone with a bit of programming skill / knowledge). The difference is that I control when and how it runs, what it does, where it gets data from, where that data flows to, etc, etc. Not Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else. Me. That's about the only way I can trust current "AI" to be used properly and safely.
- orsenthil 2y ago
  > Not Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else. Me. That's about the only way I can trust current "AI" to be used properly and safely. We are part of this big game. Concentrating on "me" solely may not work is my worry.

Glyptodon 2y ago

I don't really get what part of the bandwagon Linux users will really miss out on at the OS level? It's not like you can't use stuff like github copilot and it's really only a moderate productivity boost in many cases.

Narhem 2y ago

We need another AI winter to get these dudes off the train.

ekianjo 2y ago

missing out is a feature. Microsoft will infest its OS with AI driven ads faster than you think

bitwize 2y ago
We're gonna be like those people from Rainbows End who are still rocking laptops in an era where everybody is semi-permanently interfaced to the net through wearable gear.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  Thats basically how I see it already between those that only know abstracted tech and those who have peeked behind the curtain and know how the magic box actually works.
kube-system 2y ago
They didn't really need AI to accomplish that
lannisterstark 2y ago
I'm not sure it is. I'm looking forward to several of those features (including recall) because they will undoubtedly improve over time, for all their flaws. LLMs and "AI" features have made my life significantly easier over the last two years.
- ekianjo 2y ago
  taking snapshots of your whole PC activity is a major recipe for disaster.
  - lannisterstark 2y ago
    As I said in another comment in this thread: There have been countless times where I was like "Oh I remember there was a book I was searching but not what the name is." and I didn't know what the name was, when I was looking for it, or the terms that I used for it. THIS is when I expect it to be useful. I'm fine with taking snapshots of my whole PC activity, as long as data is stored locally. I take plenty of screenshots myself. People act like they have never used a computer for productivity. --- Again, if someone has physical access to my PC, I have better things to worry about.
- segfaltnh 2y ago
  I can't remember the last time a new OS feature legitimately improved my workflow. Maybe Expose on Mac. Marginally. I don't expect anything like Recall to make me more effective. Stuff I feel that has made me more effective in 20y includes: Jetbrains products, GSuite (collab editing), GitHub and Git, insanely faster computers. But, none of these are really OS features.
  - lannisterstark 2y ago
    >I don't expect anything like Recall to make me more effective. I expect stuff like Recall to help me y'know...Recall. There have been countless times where I was like "Oh I remember there was a book I was searching but not what the name is." and I didn't know what the name was, when I was looking for it, or the terms that I used for it. THIS is when I expect it to be useful.

talldayo 2y ago

Speak for yourself, Linux runs AI just fine when you want it. The big difference is that I get to choose where it lives, not my OEM (who let's face it, doesn't care how AI is implemented). Sign me up for missing out. I also don't use native DirectX, first-party filesystem drivers, Office 365 or Dropbox/iCloud. I'll happily add AI to the list, if I have to.

blooalien 2y ago

What's to miss out on? Experimenting with or even building useful "AI" tools? Nope. Not missing out on that. There's Ollama (and a bunch of other) local (your machine, not someone else's) "AI" model runners native to Linux. There's also a ton of great Python libraries which connect just as happily to a local "AI" instance as they will to a remote API. Much "AI" research already happens on Linux. Using other useful tools other people have written? Nope. Not missing out there either. Same reason. Tons of great tools already exist to run "AI" assisted tasks of various kinds natively on Linux connecting to a locally running model. All that stays securely on my machine / network, and doesn't "phone home" (as can be confirmed by reading the source code of the open source "AI" tools by anyone with a bit of programming skill / knowledge). The difference is that I control when and how it runs, what it does, where it gets data from, where that data flows to, etc, etc. Not Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else. Me. That's about the only way I can trust current "AI" to be used properly and safely.

orsenthil 2y ago
> Not Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else. Me. That's about the only way I can trust current "AI" to be used properly and safely. We are part of this big game. Concentrating on "me" solely may not work is my worry.