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This is poorly written and completely nonsensical. Also a clickbait: nobody is stealing anything. If you get malware or you have other admins on your computer

This is poorly written and completely nonsensical. Also a clickbait: nobody is stealing anything. If you get malware or you have other admins on your computer, they can already record anything you do at their will. The data is NOT uploaded to M$. The whole fuss is stupid and I am impressed 90% comments here seem to think otherwise.

kccqzy 2y ago
If you get malware, these malware will only begin to record things once they are installed. They do not automatically get years of computer use history. Until Recall. It seems like you live in the same kind of detached echo chambers as the people at Microsoft who approved this feature. No wonder you find this nonsensical. I bet the product managers responsible for this also find this article nonsensical.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  Right, the malware will only able to get all the documents you wrote during the years of using the computer, all the emails you ever got or sent, all your chat conversations, your bank account details, photos and videos you made, complete browsing history, access to your work account(s). Of course it is critical that it does not also know what porn you watched in incognito, or what you had in snapchat messages. Wait, scratch the snapchat. I don't think they have desktop client.
  - eviks 2y ago
    You ignore this basic computer operation called delete
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      Majority of people only ever delete bad shots from a set of N identical photos or random stuff by accident or because they run out of space.
      - eviks 2y ago
        Why do you think it makes sense to only care about the majority? Also, majority is using voice/video calls which aren't stored anywhere
        lostmsu 2y ago
        Do I? How did you come to this conclusion? If majority wants to use Ctrl+C to copy, and the rest want to use Alt+M or don't care either way, then the most sensible thing to do is have Ctrl+C copy by default, and make a setting for the rest, which is exactly what is done here.
        eviks 2y ago
        Because you reference the behavior of the majority as a counter-argument. So if 40% of people use delete for more than a dupe photo and thus would benefit from this even if they were hacked (vs Recall), how does the fact that the majority doesn't do that counter the benefit for this non-majority group? If you only care about the majority, this makes sense
        lostmsu 2y ago
        Your reply reads like you completely ignored the previous comment, because it basically answers all questions/addresses points you posed in this one.
        eviks 2y ago
        Your analogy is wrong in both characterizing the problem and offering a solution: 1. The majority doesn't want this just because they fail to protect their data properly 2. Defaults matter and having an option doesn't imply perfect awareness/disabling by that non-majority group So at most you've somewhat reduced the affected group while still not addressing the original issue why you think it's ok to ignore the non-majority (It also doesn't address the video calls) So no, your comment answered none of my points

kccqzy 2y ago

If you get malware, these malware will only begin to record things once they are installed. They do not automatically get years of computer use history. Until Recall. It seems like you live in the same kind of detached echo chambers as the people at Microsoft who approved this feature. No wonder you find this nonsensical. I bet the product managers responsible for this also find this article nonsensical.

lostmsu 2y ago
Right, the malware will only able to get all the documents you wrote during the years of using the computer, all the emails you ever got or sent, all your chat conversations, your bank account details, photos and videos you made, complete browsing history, access to your work account(s). Of course it is critical that it does not also know what porn you watched in incognito, or what you had in snapchat messages. Wait, scratch the snapchat. I don't think they have desktop client.
- eviks 2y ago
  You ignore this basic computer operation called delete
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    Majority of people only ever delete bad shots from a set of N identical photos or random stuff by accident or because they run out of space.
    - eviks 2y ago
      Why do you think it makes sense to only care about the majority? Also, majority is using voice/video calls which aren't stored anywhere
      - lostmsu 2y ago
        Do I? How did you come to this conclusion? If majority wants to use Ctrl+C to copy, and the rest want to use Alt+M or don't care either way, then the most sensible thing to do is have Ctrl+C copy by default, and make a setting for the rest, which is exactly what is done here.
        eviks 2y ago
        Because you reference the behavior of the majority as a counter-argument. So if 40% of people use delete for more than a dupe photo and thus would benefit from this even if they were hacked (vs Recall), how does the fact that the majority doesn't do that counter the benefit for this non-majority group? If you only care about the majority, this makes sense
        lostmsu 2y ago
        Your reply reads like you completely ignored the previous comment, because it basically answers all questions/addresses points you posed in this one.
        eviks 2y ago
        Your analogy is wrong in both characterizing the problem and offering a solution: 1. The majority doesn't want this just because they fail to protect their data properly 2. Defaults matter and having an option doesn't imply perfect awareness/disabling by that non-majority group So at most you've somewhat reduced the affected group while still not addressing the original issue why you think it's ok to ignore the non-majority (It also doesn't address the video calls) So no, your comment answered none of my points