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When I watched this film, I immediately thought during the finale of this film that the story of this film is so "wrong" because the public will barely care abo

When I watched this film, I immediately thought during the finale of this film that the story of this film is so "wrong" because the public will barely care about the misdeeds of NURV (or rather: those who do care basically already "know"). From todays's perspective, considering for example the Snowden and Wikileaks revelations that caused exactly these barely-nil reactions in the public, I know that I was right regarding this feeling.

accrual 2y ago
I wouldn't say they caused barely-nil reactions. Maybe to the general public and to a random bystander if asked, but they still had implications for the public's overall trust in the government. And for users in the affected spaces (tech, security, etc.) the reaction was stronger and longer lasting.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > but they still had implications for the public's overall trust in the government. In my observation it really was as I described: - those who already deeply distrusted the government continued to do so - the others (the huge majority) simply did barely care or even attempted to justify the crimes Concerning your point about tech and security sectors: those who form the inner core of the people working in these sectors basically already knew what was happening since at least the 90s.
- vasco 2y ago
  Nobody votes for net neutrality or internet rights or privacy focused groups. I agree that there were almost no reactions. June 6th people will vote for European elections, lets see how many seats the pirate party gets.
makeitdouble 2y ago
It depends on what you see as an appropriate reaction to wikileaks and Snowden. It was a structural problem, and no governing parties ever tried to stop it so voting it out for instance wasn't a solution. Perhaps Trump's support could be a far reaction to it, with no clear direction but just a strong wish to screw it all. We see the same in other countries where people go to the extremes as discomfort rises with no actionable way.
zer00eyz 2y ago
>> considering for example the Snowden and Wikileaks revelations Every time someone points at this and acts like it was a revlation I shake my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio (Every one screams about conspiracy's but the only people who told the Bush II government no went to prison). https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2008/02/senate-passes-spy-bill-with-telecom-immunity-006143 https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2008/02/senate-p... They did it, out in public people wrote about it, everyone shrugged and went on with their lives. All Snowden did was give it a face, some (program) names, but any one with any sense stayed away already. The American public has been warned twice, and did not care. It's gonna take something major leaking for them to do anything about it.
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  Klein said he is relieved another person -- Snowden -- could corroborate his story, but with actual government documents. "When he first came out, I was delighted. It was, first of all, vindication for what I was saying," Klein said. "He also revealed the programs they were doing were vastly bigger than I ever understood at the time." https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-whistleblower-mark-klein-finds-vindication-through-edward-snowden/73073/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-whistleblower...

accrual 2y ago

I wouldn't say they caused barely-nil reactions. Maybe to the general public and to a random bystander if asked, but they still had implications for the public's overall trust in the government. And for users in the affected spaces (tech, security, etc.) the reaction was stronger and longer lasting.

aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> but they still had implications for the public's overall trust in the government. In my observation it really was as I described: - those who already deeply distrusted the government continued to do so - the others (the huge majority) simply did barely care or even attempted to justify the crimes Concerning your point about tech and security sectors: those who form the inner core of the people working in these sectors basically already knew what was happening since at least the 90s.
vasco 2y ago
Nobody votes for net neutrality or internet rights or privacy focused groups. I agree that there were almost no reactions. June 6th people will vote for European elections, lets see how many seats the pirate party gets.

makeitdouble 2y ago

It depends on what you see as an appropriate reaction to wikileaks and Snowden. It was a structural problem, and no governing parties ever tried to stop it so voting it out for instance wasn't a solution. Perhaps Trump's support could be a far reaction to it, with no clear direction but just a strong wish to screw it all. We see the same in other countries where people go to the extremes as discomfort rises with no actionable way.

zer00eyz 2y ago

>> considering for example the Snowden and Wikileaks revelations Every time someone points at this and acts like it was a revlation I shake my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio (Every one screams about conspiracy's but the only people who told the Bush II government no went to prison). https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2008/02/senate-passes-spy-bill-with-telecom-immunity-006143 https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2008/02/senate-p... They did it, out in public people wrote about it, everyone shrugged and went on with their lives. All Snowden did was give it a face, some (program) names, but any one with any sense stayed away already. The American public has been warned twice, and did not care. It's gonna take something major leaking for them to do anything about it.

pseudalopex 2y ago
Klein said he is relieved another person -- Snowden -- could corroborate his story, but with actual government documents. "When he first came out, I was delighted. It was, first of all, vindication for what I was saying," Klein said. "He also revealed the programs they were doing were vastly bigger than I ever understood at the time." https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-whistleblower-mark-klein-finds-vindication-through-edward-snowden/73073/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-whistleblower...