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That was very well written and reasonable, neither minimizing the risks nor succumbing to hysteria. The idea behind Recall, universal, machine-assisted search,

That was very well written and reasonable, neither minimizing the risks nor succumbing to hysteria. The idea behind Recall, universal, machine-assisted search, is a good one but it's embarrassingly clear that in terms of implementation, this ain't it, chief. Microsoft should do what Google has done with Sky -- withdraw the product, take the hit, and hope that something can be salvaged from this debacle, both in terms of an improved product, and better company-wide testing and rollout practices.

shostack 2y ago
I think the idea is a good one, I just have zero trust in Microsoft to have my interests in mind so it becomes a question of when, not if, it becomes abused, if not by them then some bad actor.
emmelaich 2y ago
What's this Google Sky that was withdrawn?
- zuminator 2y ago
  Sorry, my flub, I meant OpenAI's Sky of course!
lostmsu 2y ago
This is poorly written and completely nonsensical. Also a clickbait: nobody is stealing anything. If you get malware or you have other admins on your computer, they can already record anything you do at their will. The data is NOT uploaded to M$. The whole fuss is stupid and I am impressed 90% comments here seem to think otherwise.
- kccqzy 2y ago
  If you get malware, these malware will only begin to record things once they are installed. They do not automatically get years of computer use history. Until Recall. It seems like you live in the same kind of detached echo chambers as the people at Microsoft who approved this feature. No wonder you find this nonsensical. I bet the product managers responsible for this also find this article nonsensical.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    Right, the malware will only able to get all the documents you wrote during the years of using the computer, all the emails you ever got or sent, all your chat conversations, your bank account details, photos and videos you made, complete browsing history, access to your work account(s). Of course it is critical that it does not also know what porn you watched in incognito, or what you had in snapchat messages. Wait, scratch the snapchat. I don't think they have desktop client.
    - eviks 2y ago
      You ignore this basic computer operation called delete
      - lostmsu 2y ago
        Majority of people only ever delete bad shots from a set of N identical photos or random stuff by accident or because they run out of space.
        eviks 2y ago
        Why do you think it makes sense to only care about the majority? Also, majority is using voice/video calls which aren't stored anywhere
        lostmsu 2y ago
        Do I? How did you come to this conclusion? If majority wants to use Ctrl+C to copy, and the rest want to use Alt+M or don't care either way, then the most sensible thing to do is have Ctrl+C copy by default, and make a setting for the rest, which is exactly what is done here.
        eviks 2y ago
        Because you reference the behavior of the majority as a counter-argument. So if 40% of people use delete for more than a dupe photo and thus would benefit from this even if they were hacked (vs Recall), how does the fact that the majority doesn't do that counter the benefit for this non-majority group? If you only care about the majority, this makes sense
ambicapter 2y ago
> In practice, that audience’s needs are a very small (tiny, in fact) portion of Windows userbase — and frankly talking about screenshotting the things people in the real world, not executive world, is basically like punching customers in the face. The echo chamber effect inside Microsoft is real here, and oh boy… just oh boy. It’s a rare misfire, I think. > I think it’s an interesting entirely, really optional feature with a niche initial user base that would require incredibly careful communication, cybersecurity, engineering and implementation. Copilot+ Recall doesn’t have these. The work hasn’t been done properly to package it together, clearly. Definitely needed some copy editing however.

shostack 2y ago

I think the idea is a good one, I just have zero trust in Microsoft to have my interests in mind so it becomes a question of when, not if, it becomes abused, if not by them then some bad actor.

emmelaich 2y ago

What's this Google Sky that was withdrawn?

zuminator 2y ago
Sorry, my flub, I meant OpenAI's Sky of course!

lostmsu 2y ago

This is poorly written and completely nonsensical. Also a clickbait: nobody is stealing anything. If you get malware or you have other admins on your computer, they can already record anything you do at their will. The data is NOT uploaded to M$. The whole fuss is stupid and I am impressed 90% comments here seem to think otherwise.

kccqzy 2y ago
If you get malware, these malware will only begin to record things once they are installed. They do not automatically get years of computer use history. Until Recall. It seems like you live in the same kind of detached echo chambers as the people at Microsoft who approved this feature. No wonder you find this nonsensical. I bet the product managers responsible for this also find this article nonsensical.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  Right, the malware will only able to get all the documents you wrote during the years of using the computer, all the emails you ever got or sent, all your chat conversations, your bank account details, photos and videos you made, complete browsing history, access to your work account(s). Of course it is critical that it does not also know what porn you watched in incognito, or what you had in snapchat messages. Wait, scratch the snapchat. I don't think they have desktop client.
  - eviks 2y ago
    You ignore this basic computer operation called delete
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      Majority of people only ever delete bad shots from a set of N identical photos or random stuff by accident or because they run out of space.
      - eviks 2y ago
        Why do you think it makes sense to only care about the majority? Also, majority is using voice/video calls which aren't stored anywhere
        lostmsu 2y ago
        Do I? How did you come to this conclusion? If majority wants to use Ctrl+C to copy, and the rest want to use Alt+M or don't care either way, then the most sensible thing to do is have Ctrl+C copy by default, and make a setting for the rest, which is exactly what is done here.
        eviks 2y ago
        Because you reference the behavior of the majority as a counter-argument. So if 40% of people use delete for more than a dupe photo and thus would benefit from this even if they were hacked (vs Recall), how does the fact that the majority doesn't do that counter the benefit for this non-majority group? If you only care about the majority, this makes sense

ambicapter 2y ago

> In practice, that audience’s needs are a very small (tiny, in fact) portion of Windows userbase — and frankly talking about screenshotting the things people in the real world, not executive world, is basically like punching customers in the face. The echo chamber effect inside Microsoft is real here, and oh boy… just oh boy. It’s a rare misfire, I think. > I think it’s an interesting entirely, really optional feature with a niche initial user base that would require incredibly careful communication, cybersecurity, engineering and implementation. Copilot+ Recall doesn’t have these. The work hasn’t been done properly to package it together, clearly. Definitely needed some copy editing however.