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The parallels with “European plate armor was too bulky to be used and knights couldn’t stand up when they fell”, shouldn’t be lost on anyone. It’s a common beli
by jonathankoren 2y ago
The parallels with “European plate armor was too bulky to be used and knights couldn’t stand up when they fell”, shouldn’t be lost on anyone. It’s a common belief handed down over the years, but it’s complete bollocks. We know it is, because back in the 60s or 70s someone had the idea of actually putting the armor on, run around in it, and even get knocked down and stand up in it. There is like a BBC film showing this or something.
It’s kinda weird that people keep dismissing the armor of the past as completely impractical, even though the people in the past keep saying or implying that this is exact what they wore into battle.
- surfingdino 2y agoIt was difficult to mount a horse while wearing heavy armour though and I think that's how the rumour originated.
- kayodelycaon 2y agoThere are quite a few YouTube videos showing how full plate is worn and how much range of motion you’d have.
- pavel_lishin 2y agoThere are more recently made videos, I believe, demonstrating the same thing: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
- stanford_labrat 2y agoimagine being a medieval peasant conscript and seeing that guy from the first few seconds of the first video charging at you, knowing full well he's from the warrior class and trained his entire life for the job of fighting. terrifying...
- pavel_lishin 2y agoI remember reading somewhere that peasants who killed an enemy night would effectively be treated as war criminals. So you'd be fucked no matter what you do.
- jiggawatts 2y agoThe modern equivalent would be seeing an MRAP or an APC rolling down the street. The sci-fi version would be seeing a space marine.
- strix_varius 2y agoI thought it was a clip from power rangers for a minute.
- xarope 2y ago1st video about halfway through, that's where the turkish get up is useful!
- cwmma 2y agoSome of this has to do with jousting armor being some of the best preserved sets and those were extremely impractical.
- jonathankoren 2y agoCodpieces with erect penises are a tactical. https://youtu.be/C6XqBsosHwM https://youtu.be/C6XqBsosHwM
- max-ibel 2y ago"The Court Jester" movie didn't help dispel that myth ... ;)
- kromem 2y agoPeople in modernity have a habit of dismissing what people in the past said as a "heuristic that almost always works." But it doesn't always work, and there's some pretty glaring holes in modern perspectives as a result of its overuse.
- YurgenJurgensen 2y agoThis is one of those 'myths' that I only ever see mentioned when it's someone informing everyone that it's a myth. I've seen it 'busted' so many times I wonder if the real myth is that anyone ever believed it in the first place.
- Jensson 2y agoYou see it a lot in movies, and that belief from movies gets in the popular conscience. Plate armor in most movies gets penetrated by light slashes and masses of plate wearing soldiers are easily beaten by the lightly armored hero. My friend who often wore armor on subways always had drunk people come up to him and try to play pranks like pushing him etc thinking he would fall due to impractical armor etc, but armor makes it easier to stand your ground. So it is like physics, there is widespread belief in Aristotelean physics but you wont see anyone talk about believing it online, even though we know from surveys that there is a significant fraction who do.
- ertian 2y agoWell, because it was thoroughly debunked decades ago. I remember reading this 'fact' in books as a kid in the 80s.
- o11c 2y agoIt's probably leakage from the well-known Battle of Agincourt, which showed it could be a concern, but the mud is an important detail.