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Just go to github and search issues with 'Wayland support' I think is more probable that anyone will have a problem in Wayland than X

Rinzler89 2y ago
As much as the "Wayland is now ready since it's the default on big distros" meme goes, it's not really ready if you're having issues with it. Ready means if everything is flawless to MacOS/Windows levels, where you never have to think about display server compatibility, and that's where X11 is still king despite the performance shortcomings. At least it always just works™ and compatibility beats performance most of the days.
- blacksmith_tb 2y ago
  That feels like a high bar for FOSS (maybe for any software...), but given how long Wayland has been getting worked on, you'd hope it's at least usable for most (but not digital painters, apparently).
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Keep in mind Wayland has been worked on since 2008 when I was still in school. I think some young HN readers haven't even been born yet. I could excuse it if it had been 4 years old or so, but it's old enough already it can drink and smoke in Europe.
    - exe34 2y ago
      Wayland is now way older than Xorg was when they decided that it needed re-inventing.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        Fun fact, GTA Vice City is now further away (22 years) from its 2002 launch date than it was from its story setting of 1986 (16 years). If that game were to be launched today and feature a setting in the same time delta, it would be set in 2008 when movies like The Dark Knight or the first Iron Man launched. How time flies.
        exe34 2y ago
        I remember the nineties when 30 years ago was the 60s. now 30 years ago is my flipping childhood.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        So when you were a child, a 1969 Mustang was a "clasic car", but now an equivalent classic car would be a fourth gen Honda Civic that your local weed dealer drives.
        exe34 2y ago
        thank goodness I don't know what any of that means, I was never into cars!
        aidenn0 2y ago
        Maybe more a Camero IROC-Z?
      - nicolas_17 2y ago
        Wayland was first released in 2008, so it's 15 years old. Xorg was a fork of XFree86, which was released in 1991. So that codebase was 17 years old when Wayland was first released. I don't think the date of the fork is what's relevant here. I could also argue that you should be comparing the Wayland protocol (2008) vs the X11 protocol (1987), or even older versions of X (1984).

Rinzler89 2y ago

As much as the "Wayland is now ready since it's the default on big distros" meme goes, it's not really ready if you're having issues with it. Ready means if everything is flawless to MacOS/Windows levels, where you never have to think about display server compatibility, and that's where X11 is still king despite the performance shortcomings. At least it always just works™ and compatibility beats performance most of the days.

blacksmith_tb 2y ago
That feels like a high bar for FOSS (maybe for any software...), but given how long Wayland has been getting worked on, you'd hope it's at least usable for most (but not digital painters, apparently).
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Keep in mind Wayland has been worked on since 2008 when I was still in school. I think some young HN readers haven't even been born yet. I could excuse it if it had been 4 years old or so, but it's old enough already it can drink and smoke in Europe.
  - exe34 2y ago
    Wayland is now way older than Xorg was when they decided that it needed re-inventing.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      Fun fact, GTA Vice City is now further away (22 years) from its 2002 launch date than it was from its story setting of 1986 (16 years). If that game were to be launched today and feature a setting in the same time delta, it would be set in 2008 when movies like The Dark Knight or the first Iron Man launched. How time flies.
      - exe34 2y ago
        I remember the nineties when 30 years ago was the 60s. now 30 years ago is my flipping childhood.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        So when you were a child, a 1969 Mustang was a "clasic car", but now an equivalent classic car would be a fourth gen Honda Civic that your local weed dealer drives.
        exe34 2y ago
        thank goodness I don't know what any of that means, I was never into cars!
        aidenn0 2y ago
        Maybe more a Camero IROC-Z?
    - nicolas_17 2y ago
      Wayland was first released in 2008, so it's 15 years old. Xorg was a fork of XFree86, which was released in 1991. So that codebase was 17 years old when Wayland was first released. I don't think the date of the fork is what's relevant here. I could also argue that you should be comparing the Wayland protocol (2008) vs the X11 protocol (1987), or even older versions of X (1984).