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I would like to move back to Linux (specifically NixOS), but I've held back because support on the T2 Macs is pretty bad still, and Apple is still providing upd

I would like to move back to Linux (specifically NixOS), but I've held back because support on the T2 Macs is pretty bad still, and Apple is still providing updates to them for now. When I tried installing Linux on there, I had a ton of trouble getting Wayland to work in any capacity (it was very glitchy when I tried), and I had to go back to X, before nuking the Linux install and going back to macOS.

exe34 2y ago
did you have any problems specifically with X? It's worked flawlessly for my entire adult life, and a decade ago they made it so magical I didn't even have to write a config anymore. I think they will have to pry X from my cold dead silicon at this point.
- tombert 2y ago
  No, not really, I just wanted to play with the shiny new Wayland stuff. Also I like the Sway window manager, I think more than i3? Obviously they're both pretty comparable.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >did you have any problems specifically with X? Every recent time I would daily drive Linux (Ubuntu and Antix) I had screen tearing out of the box. Not really an acceptable feature.
  - exe34 2y ago
    that's interesting, what graphics card were you using? was it some fancy monitor? I have always used pretty standard stuff and never had any problems.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >what graphics card were you using? was it some fancy monitor? 3 year old Lenovo laptop with Intel Integrated plus Nvidia dedicated on Ubuntu connected to external HDMI and Displayport standard 1080p monitors and built in laptop monitor, and an old PC with old dedicated Nvidia on AntiX(Debian) connected to old 17" VGA LCD monitor. Nothing fancy. Screen tearing on all of them.
      - exe34 2y ago
        were you using the nvidia proprietary drivers?
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        I think Nuveau on both or whatever came out of the box during install. Tried to install the Nvidia propetary but couldn't due to some MoK signing issues. Anyway, the out of the box experience is shit on this front. Screen tearing shouldn't be a thing anymore. It's not like those GPUs were some exotic prototype HW nobody else has to need hours of reding forums and tinkering with .conf files to get rid fo screen tearing.
        simoncion 2y ago
        1) Nvidia's just bad on Linux because Nvidia doesn't give a shit about open source support, or about doing things the way the open source folks do. And while the Nouveau driver is an amazing technical feat, it's also amazing any time it actually works, given that it's totally reverse-engineered with effectively zero help from Nvidia. 2) If I were using a batteries-included distro, Section "Device" Identifier "AMD" Driver "amdgpu" Option "TearFree" "on" Option "VariableRefresh" "on" EndSection would have been dumped into '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' for me. But because I'm using Gentoo, I had to do it myself. Not a big burden.
        exe34 2y ago
        absolutely love the Linux culture of "don't screw it up: true": > Option "TearFree" "on" reminds me of a pdf viewer at some point had an option to "respect permission" or something, you could turn it off and ignore the limits on the pdf that the author set.
        simoncion 2y ago
        > reminds me of a pdf viewer at some point had an option to "respect permission" or something Oh yeah, I always say "Don't respect" on PDF readers that have that setting. It's a very nice setting. In regards to "TearFree" not being on by default, I expect that there's a good reason for it... maybe it adds some amount of latency (whether on hardware I don't have, or so little latency that I don't notice it), or maybe it just flat-out doesn't work right on some hardware that I happen to not have. Regardless, deciding whether or not to set those settings is the job of one's distro.

exe34 2y ago

did you have any problems specifically with X? It's worked flawlessly for my entire adult life, and a decade ago they made it so magical I didn't even have to write a config anymore. I think they will have to pry X from my cold dead silicon at this point.

tombert 2y ago
No, not really, I just wanted to play with the shiny new Wayland stuff. Also I like the Sway window manager, I think more than i3? Obviously they're both pretty comparable.
Rinzler89 2y ago
>did you have any problems specifically with X? Every recent time I would daily drive Linux (Ubuntu and Antix) I had screen tearing out of the box. Not really an acceptable feature.
- exe34 2y ago
  that's interesting, what graphics card were you using? was it some fancy monitor? I have always used pretty standard stuff and never had any problems.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >what graphics card were you using? was it some fancy monitor? 3 year old Lenovo laptop with Intel Integrated plus Nvidia dedicated on Ubuntu connected to external HDMI and Displayport standard 1080p monitors and built in laptop monitor, and an old PC with old dedicated Nvidia on AntiX(Debian) connected to old 17" VGA LCD monitor. Nothing fancy. Screen tearing on all of them.
    - exe34 2y ago
      were you using the nvidia proprietary drivers?
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        I think Nuveau on both or whatever came out of the box during install. Tried to install the Nvidia propetary but couldn't due to some MoK signing issues. Anyway, the out of the box experience is shit on this front. Screen tearing shouldn't be a thing anymore. It's not like those GPUs were some exotic prototype HW nobody else has to need hours of reding forums and tinkering with .conf files to get rid fo screen tearing.
        simoncion 2y ago
        1) Nvidia's just bad on Linux because Nvidia doesn't give a shit about open source support, or about doing things the way the open source folks do. And while the Nouveau driver is an amazing technical feat, it's also amazing any time it actually works, given that it's totally reverse-engineered with effectively zero help from Nvidia. 2) If I were using a batteries-included distro, Section "Device" Identifier "AMD" Driver "amdgpu" Option "TearFree" "on" Option "VariableRefresh" "on" EndSection would have been dumped into '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' for me. But because I'm using Gentoo, I had to do it myself. Not a big burden.
        exe34 2y ago
        absolutely love the Linux culture of "don't screw it up: true": > Option "TearFree" "on" reminds me of a pdf viewer at some point had an option to "respect permission" or something, you could turn it off and ignore the limits on the pdf that the author set.
        simoncion 2y ago
        > reminds me of a pdf viewer at some point had an option to "respect permission" or something Oh yeah, I always say "Don't respect" on PDF readers that have that setting. It's a very nice setting. In regards to "TearFree" not being on by default, I expect that there's a good reason for it... maybe it adds some amount of latency (whether on hardware I don't have, or so little latency that I don't notice it), or maybe it just flat-out doesn't work right on some hardware that I happen to not have. Regardless, deciding whether or not to set those settings is the job of one's distro.