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Amen to this. And give them a mobile cell plan with 1GB of data per month. I've seen some web sites with 250MB payloads on the home page due to ads and pre-loa

Amen to this. And give them a mobile cell plan with 1GB of data per month. I've seen some web sites with 250MB payloads on the home page due to ads and pre-loading videos. I work with parolees who get free government cell phones and then burn through the 3GB/mo of data within three days. Then they can't apply for jobs, get bus times, rent a bike, top up their subway card, get directions.

beefnugs 2y ago
Yeah and then give them thousands upon thousands of paying customers with these constraints worth caring about
immibis 2y ago
This is probably a deliberate decision on the part of the government. A lot of the justice system is designed to keep people in prison.
- latexr 2y ago
  That makes little sense. If it was a deliberate plan, it would be much more effective (and cheaper) to not provide the cellphones and data plan in the first place.
  - fire_lake 2y ago
    You see this all the time. Need to keep up appearances but the actually implementation is poor.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    Exactly. It's easy to attribute malice where incompetence is the answer. The root problem is that there is no feedback loop so that the government agency funding the program isn't properly looking at the product being delivered at the other end and putting measures in place to stop the contractors from taking advantage of the program to only deliver the barest minimum without tracking the effects on the end customer.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  It's not deliberate by the government. And the situation is getting better. Basically some of the telcos being a bit greedy and only giving 3GB/mo data to the users and spending all their profits on paying people in the hoods $20 a pop to sign people up. Recently I've started to see some contracts with vastly more data, including some unlimiteds.
jmbwell 2y ago
"But all the cheap front-end talent is in thick client frameworks, telemetry indicates most revenue conversions are from users on 5G, our MVP works for 80% of our target user base, and all we need to do is make back our VC's investment plus enough to cash out on our IPO exit strategy, plus other reasons not to care" — self-identified serial entrepreneur, probably
lukan 2y ago
Having an adblocker (firefox mobile works with uBlock origin) and completely deactivate loading of images and videos can get you quite far with limited connection.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  You're 100% right. uBlock Origin can reduce page weight by an astronomical amount.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    uMatrix (unsupported but still works) reduces page weight and compute even more
    - ericjmorey 2y ago
      How so?
      - fsckboy 2y ago
        it allows javascript on the original site domain, but turns it off for external domains, buts then lets you selectively turn it back on, and remembers what you've selected. Turning off javascript turns off a lot of both addtional downloading and cpu cycles. for impatient people it's tedious, but for minimalists it's heaven.
    - KetoManx64 2y ago
      If you enable the Advanced Features mode of Ublock Origin you get access to just about all the things uMatrix does
      - account42 2y ago
        Except for a usable UI.
- beretguy 2y ago

beefnugs 2y ago

Yeah and then give them thousands upon thousands of paying customers with these constraints worth caring about

immibis 2y ago

This is probably a deliberate decision on the part of the government. A lot of the justice system is designed to keep people in prison.

latexr 2y ago
That makes little sense. If it was a deliberate plan, it would be much more effective (and cheaper) to not provide the cellphones and data plan in the first place.
- fire_lake 2y ago
  You see this all the time. Need to keep up appearances but the actually implementation is poor.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Exactly. It's easy to attribute malice where incompetence is the answer. The root problem is that there is no feedback loop so that the government agency funding the program isn't properly looking at the product being delivered at the other end and putting measures in place to stop the contractors from taking advantage of the program to only deliver the barest minimum without tracking the effects on the end customer.
qingcharles 2y ago
It's not deliberate by the government. And the situation is getting better. Basically some of the telcos being a bit greedy and only giving 3GB/mo data to the users and spending all their profits on paying people in the hoods $20 a pop to sign people up. Recently I've started to see some contracts with vastly more data, including some unlimiteds.

jmbwell 2y ago

"But all the cheap front-end talent is in thick client frameworks, telemetry indicates most revenue conversions are from users on 5G, our MVP works for 80% of our target user base, and all we need to do is make back our VC's investment plus enough to cash out on our IPO exit strategy, plus other reasons not to care" — self-identified serial entrepreneur, probably

lukan 2y ago

Having an adblocker (firefox mobile works with uBlock origin) and completely deactivate loading of images and videos can get you quite far with limited connection.

qingcharles 2y ago
You're 100% right. uBlock Origin can reduce page weight by an astronomical amount.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  uMatrix (unsupported but still works) reduces page weight and compute even more
  - ericjmorey 2y ago
    How so?
    - fsckboy 2y ago
      it allows javascript on the original site domain, but turns it off for external domains, buts then lets you selectively turn it back on, and remembers what you've selected. Turning off javascript turns off a lot of both addtional downloading and cpu cycles. for impatient people it's tedious, but for minimalists it's heaven.
  - KetoManx64 2y ago
    If you enable the Advanced Features mode of Ublock Origin you get access to just about all the things uMatrix does
    - account42 2y ago
      Except for a usable UI.
beretguy 2y ago