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This kind of spying seems necessary and appropriate to me, provided it is done under the appropriate legal framework. The security concern with Russia and Belar
by bragr 2y ago
This kind of spying seems necessary and appropriate to me, provided it is done under the appropriate legal framework. The security concern with Russia and Belarus are self evident now, and the security concerns around hosting a large dissident population must be enormous. You don't want extremists within the dissident movements (it'd bad if the Putin assassination was planned on your soil), nor penetration of the dissident movement by foreign intelligence (it'd be a bad if the opposition leader got novichoked on your soil). I'm not sure how else to address these kinds of problems in society except with some kind of well regulated security apparatus (making the big assumption that it is well regulated here).
- logicchains 2y ago>I'm not sure how else to address these kinds of problems in society except with some kind of well regulated security apparatus (making the big assumption that it is well regulated here). The whole populace being under surveillance is a much worse outcome than the chance of some politician being assassinated being relatively higher. Mass surveillance to prevent the latter seem absolutely in the worst interests of the average citizen; spying on people to protect the elites is what every nasty dictatorship does.
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- trustno2 2y agoI think Russian security services work fully legally under Russian legal framework.
- duxup 2y agoI think we can differentiate between the rules, level of judicial independence, and different systems too. It's not all or nothing as far as the words "legal framework" goes.
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- Muromec 2y agoNo they don’t. They are a signatory of ECHR convention (which makes is part of national law).
- holmesworcester 2y agoWhat about this type of spying? (Also frontpage of HN right now, and done with similar tools i.e. Lumma malware-as-a-service)? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40534868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40534868 The problem is, when the vulns exist due to hand-rolled parsing, you don't get to choose who the attacker is.
- eigenket 2y agoI don't think it's either necessary or appropriate for the government to be spying on its political opponents and then leaking damaging material to friendly "news" agencies https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/12/18/polish-state-tv-ordered-to-apologise-over-publishing-messages-of-politician-hacked-with-pegasus-spyware/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/12/18/polish-state-tv-order... This was a pretty clear and obvious abuse of the state apparatus against political opponents.