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Would love this if I could adjust the bottom of the range. $100k is quite a bit below what I'm looking for at this point in my career.
by Carrok 2y ago
Would love this if I could adjust the bottom of the range. $100k is quite a bit below what I'm looking for at this point in my career.
- lucianh 2y agoGreat suggestion. I'm adding it on my top priorities.
- ramesh31 2y ago>$100k is quite a bit below what I'm looking for at this point in my career. It's a rough pill to swallow, but the rise of remote work is inevitably going to pull things down to a "national median" somewhere in this area. There will always be the coastal tech hubs where top tier folks can go to make real salaries. But for the most part we (in the US) are going to be lumped together and forced to accept something in the range of 2x the average income instead of 3-4x, similar to how things are in Europe. Particularly when you consider the amount of LatAm/Canadian nearshoring going on right now, and the absolute glut of junior/midlevel devs on the market.
- Carrok 2y agoI think you misunderstand what I'm saying. There are _plenty_ of jobs in the range I'm looking for. This site doesn't allow me to find them. That's all.
- CyberDildonics 2y agoSo don't use it. If you already know there are lots of jobs in the range you're looking for, why do you care about this site?
- Carrok 2y agoBecause I would still like another way to look for them. Is this a serious question?
- CyberDildonics 2y agoIt seems strange to see someone set expectations up front with what their site is for, then have someone complain that it's not for something different.
- Carrok 2y agoThe site is built around having a lower limit on compensation. All I'm asking is for that limit to be adjustable. That's not something different, it's the same thing, but more flexible/usable/better.
- CyberDildonics 2y agoDid you look at the site? There are a lot of filters and not that many jobs. You can just look through them.
- Carrok 2y agoThe filters are too low for my needs.
- CyberDildonics 2y agoThat doesn't make any sense. There aren't that many jobs, you can just look through them. Do you think there are listing that the site has but doesn't show anyone? Do you think it's filtering from some other larger database? Why not just go to that source instead?
- em-bee 2y agothere are filters for salary ranges. but what you are looking for is all ranges from a certain starting point, or more general: a custom range. i think that's a reasonable suggestion.
- llm_trw 2y agoYour post is the definition of toxic positivity. The OP needs feedback on how to make the site better. Tell them how to do it isn't entitled, it's the literal point of the post.
- greenish_shores 2y agoWhat does "national median" matter in terms of REMOTE jobs? In theory there should be one global market then, where only (hard and soft, of course) skills matter. But I know we're yet not quite there.
- jkukul 2y agoIn theory, yes. Like you’re saying we’re still not quite there yet. In practice there are constraints that limit job markets geographically, e.g. time zone differences or legal obstacles to hire foreigners.
- geraldwhen 2y agoNo such thing as a global market. Time zones, English proficiency, and cultural compatibility will always be real issues affecting real teams trying to build software.
- satvikpendem 2y agoDon't forget tax domains. Most remote companies in the US want to hire only in the US, not just anywhere in the world, due to needing to set up taxes in every single country their employee might be hired from.
- thfuran 2y agoAnd all the non-tax-related employment law that can also differ.
- rightbyte 2y agoI'd argue Elance was(?) such a place and it was really bad with the worst clients imaginable.
- sneak 2y agoGeneric specialty lawyers can make $350/hour, so can generic specialty SWEs. Don’t sell yourself (or others) short. Remote has nothing to do with it.
- geodel 2y agoYes they can, though not on 40 hr/ week and 50 week/year basis. And I know some software contractors who also do roughly same. But usually I see software folks have expectation of ~2000 hour of paid work per year
- skeeter2020 2y ago>> "Generic specialty" Which is it?
- sneak 2y agoGeneric as in non-rockstar/famous. You can be a generic specialist, like a generic patent litigator, or a generic firmware/embedded engineer, without being some conference-speaker hotshot. There are lots of working and extremely skilled specialists that don’t bother to blog and do talks and self-promote that don’t have widespread name recognition that can and do still bill $200-500/hr.
- ikekkdcjkfke 2y agoStandard a better word maybe
- geraldwhen 2y agoI heard this when my career started, and it wasn’t true then or now. The skills just aren’t there. I run interviews and struggle to find anyone, anywhere, that can actually program. English proficiency is also hard to come by. This wouldn’t be an issue in most of Canada, but I’ve yet to see a Canadian remote applicant.
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- rightbyte 2y agoI'd wish Joel Spolsky didn't popularize the concept of "programmers can't program". It have made hireing so convuluted since it boils down to tabs versus spaces. I'd rather argue that the methodology to hire is flawed generally and dice rolls are probably better then most processes. Especially the riddle and leetcode ones.
- geraldwhen 2y agoI give no leetcode problems. Most people I interview cannot get a class that they themselves are writing to compile or run.
- ohthatsnotright 2y agoAre you hiring? I'll take that bet, and I'm looking.
- hnthrowaway6543 2y agoSpolsky's fizzbuzz article is the standard reference, but the reason it got so popular is that it resonated with anyone who's ever tried hiring a developer. It's not "tabs vs spaces"; there are just many people employed as software engineers who 1) cannot translate an English (or other human language) description into working code, and 2) have no idea how software actually works. They know enough about the mechanics of programming to copy and paste code from Stackoverflow/ChatGPT and use git, but if they encounter a novel problem they are totally lost. Hiring them is like hiring someone who only knows how to drive to be your car mechanic. If you've been in the industry for 5+ years, think hard and I'm sure you can at least think of one example of a coworker you've had that fits this description.
- llm_trw 2y agoNo it wont and anyone who hires at that rate will get what they pay for.
- deadbabe 2y agoThat’s not how it works. Engineers are not really commodities. The right engineer can really push your business forward and become a powerful asset. The wrong one can set you back years while your competitors surpass you. As long as there’s companies out there who want the best, the best will command higher salaries. If you manage to hire a great engineer for a cheap price, inevitably they will have no loyalty and leave your company for a higher offer. Thus losing you money in the long term and harming your business. A remote worker can do this easily. If you want cheap, the unethical thing to do is hire local talent that doesn’t enjoy remote work and can’t move easily. You entrap them into the job and pay them less.
- seadan83 2y agoGood points. To go further, the analogy I give is it is like hiring Stephen king vs a mediocre writer. The latter can get some interesting articles written, but the former will spawn book series, spinoffs, movies. Which is to say, I think there is a non linear effect to product quality provided by engineers who build the exact right thing and build it well. (For exact right thing, to illustrate, there are 1000s of requirements in a software system, perhaps more. Meanwhile there might be 100s of JIRA items. Meaning, there is a magnitude order gap between specified requirements and the rest. All requirements need to be coded up whether you know about them or not. The pro engineer will bridge this gap, the mediocre engineer will NPE instead)
- skeeter2020 2y agolegit question: do you have good luck cold-applying for high end jobs in this market? I just posted a senior full-stack developer job at 130-150 CAD and we've gotten 100's of applicants. So much wheat is going to get discarded with the chaff
- Carrok 2y agoMy current position was a cold application that pays over $200k USD. Sounds like the problem is on your end not being willing to sort through the chaff to find the wheat.
- Rapzid 2y ago130 CAD doesn't buy much wheat.
- shagie 2y agoFor a single position and 500 resumes presented, how much time are you willing to allocate per applicant on the first and second pass through the stack?
- all2 2y agoDepends on the importance of the position. I'd be willing to spend a minute or two on each resume. I'd probably take a week to get through them. If I'm hiring directly for my team, I might even take more time on each resume.
- shagie 2y agoWould you be throwing out a lot of the potential good hires with only a minute looking at a resume? And likewise, are you sure you’re not getting false positives of poorly qualified candidates with good resumes in only a minute of looking at the resume? This is what the GP is lamenting. At 500 minutes of time, this is a solid day of non stop resume reading.
- danlugo92 2y ago
- lucianh 2y agoUpdate: it's done. You can adjust the min salary dynamically.