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Ukraine keeps having so many achievements in this war the notion it's losing is laughable. Do you know how long the war will need to be to get to Kiev with toda

by avmich 2y ago

Ukraine keeps having so many achievements in this war the notion it's losing is laughable. Do you know how long the war will need to be to get to Kiev with today's tempo?

armitron 2y ago
Ukraine has permanently lost huge chunks of its territory. On top of that, the entire country is being structurally wrecked and it will take decades to climb out of the bottomless pit. It's mind boggling that one would not see this as losing or delude oneself with shifting-the-goalposts thinking ("get to Kiev")
- avmich 2y ago
  There's nothing permanent in Ukraine losing territory though. It's Russia which has long-term problems incompatible with remaining as it is right now. Ukraine instead is going through the nation building, which Russia is still far from.
rainworld 2y ago
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- avmich 2y ago
  Yes, propaganda plays a huge role in this war. No, it's not the reason to stop reasoning about it.
  - rainworld 2y ago
    At the very least 50k KIA, proven. Likely many times that. Total casualties a further multiple of that. Tens of thousands of amputees. Don’t even think about paying the promised compensation for all that. Millions are gone for good. Damage is measured in the hundreds of billions. TPPs are gone. Good chunk of the land gone, most of the coast. Men are getting abducted on the streets, into the trenches within days or weeks. Others drown or freeze to death on the Western borders, attempting to flee. Hundreds of thousands in hiding. Villages without men. Towns with 2% buried already. Every day the hole gets deeper. Every day a bit faster. And you talk about “achievements”. This is not a video game. Unless you’re some Beltway creature. Unless you’re one of the “Holden Bloodfeasts” of the world. In that case it’s nothing but a long, long list of “achievements“, I suppose.
    - mopsi 2y ago
      And now think what a shithole Russia must be that Ukraine prefers all that to the loving embrace of mother Russia.
      - rainworld 2y ago
        How could I forget. Yes, you butthurt belters are also having the time of your lives. Let the hate consume you. Daddy Amrika will always have your back.
alamortsubite 2y ago
That tempo could change after November, though. Donald Trump may be a convicted felon, but there are still people who will vote for him, and those people are the ones most strongly opposed to supporting Ukraine.

by avmich 2y ago

Ukraine keeps having so many achievements in this war the notion it's losing is laughable. Do you know how long the war will need to be to get to Kiev with today's tempo?

armitron 2y ago

Ukraine has permanently lost huge chunks of its territory. On top of that, the entire country is being structurally wrecked and it will take decades to climb out of the bottomless pit. It's mind boggling that one would not see this as losing or delude oneself with shifting-the-goalposts thinking ("get to Kiev")

avmich 2y ago
There's nothing permanent in Ukraine losing territory though. It's Russia which has long-term problems incompatible with remaining as it is right now. Ukraine instead is going through the nation building, which Russia is still far from.

rainworld 2y ago

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avmich 2y ago
Yes, propaganda plays a huge role in this war. No, it's not the reason to stop reasoning about it.
- rainworld 2y ago
  At the very least 50k KIA, proven. Likely many times that. Total casualties a further multiple of that. Tens of thousands of amputees. Don’t even think about paying the promised compensation for all that. Millions are gone for good. Damage is measured in the hundreds of billions. TPPs are gone. Good chunk of the land gone, most of the coast. Men are getting abducted on the streets, into the trenches within days or weeks. Others drown or freeze to death on the Western borders, attempting to flee. Hundreds of thousands in hiding. Villages without men. Towns with 2% buried already. Every day the hole gets deeper. Every day a bit faster. And you talk about “achievements”. This is not a video game. Unless you’re some Beltway creature. Unless you’re one of the “Holden Bloodfeasts” of the world. In that case it’s nothing but a long, long list of “achievements“, I suppose.
  - mopsi 2y ago
    And now think what a shithole Russia must be that Ukraine prefers all that to the loving embrace of mother Russia.
    - rainworld 2y ago
      How could I forget. Yes, you butthurt belters are also having the time of your lives. Let the hate consume you. Daddy Amrika will always have your back.

alamortsubite 2y ago

That tempo could change after November, though. Donald Trump may be a convicted felon, but there are still people who will vote for him, and those people are the ones most strongly opposed to supporting Ukraine.