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It wasn’t stolen. They still have a copy of it. More accurate to say “Data allegedly copied”. And it seems natural. Information wants to be free.

ydnaclementine 2y ago
Would you download a car?
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
You say that, but I doubt you'd willingly post your full legal name/SSN/Address/DoB and credit card info onto hacker news right now.
ragazzina 2y ago
Theft means "the illegal act of taking another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". The fact that the victim can or cannot still access their property is not in the definition.
- deleted 2y ago
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- logicchains 2y ago
  Throughout most of human history "taking" meant that the thing is now yours and not theirs. If you had a book, I read it all and wrote my own copy, nobody would call that taking your book, it's copying your book. You can try to change the definition, but depriving something of ownership/use of something is qualitatively very different from making a copy of it, so it doesn't follow that the former should necessarily be treated the same as the latter.
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    Information has to be modelled differently. Where and how it is manifested is less relevant. If I told your secrets after we agreed not to share them, it would be a moral violation, even if you still had the copy of the journal that you recorded the secrets in.
- bogwog 2y ago
  I think "stolen" is perfectly fine to use here, but I don't think you're correct. The definition of theft usually involves depriving someone of something, which is why piracy and copyright infringement are not theft. There's a whole wikipedia section dedicated to it for anyone who actually cares about this kind of thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement
thinkingtoilet 2y ago
What is your credit card number? Please free that information.
chrisjj 2y ago
Take != take a copy. Take requires /remove/.
- dylan604 2y ago
  nah, TicketMaster was just distributing the data. Everything is working as designed
finack 2y ago
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ydnaclementine 2y ago

Would you download a car?

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

You say that, but I doubt you'd willingly post your full legal name/SSN/Address/DoB and credit card info onto hacker news right now.

ragazzina 2y ago

Theft means "the illegal act of taking another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". The fact that the victim can or cannot still access their property is not in the definition.

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logicchains 2y ago
Throughout most of human history "taking" meant that the thing is now yours and not theirs. If you had a book, I read it all and wrote my own copy, nobody would call that taking your book, it's copying your book. You can try to change the definition, but depriving something of ownership/use of something is qualitatively very different from making a copy of it, so it doesn't follow that the former should necessarily be treated the same as the latter.
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  Information has to be modelled differently. Where and how it is manifested is less relevant. If I told your secrets after we agreed not to share them, it would be a moral violation, even if you still had the copy of the journal that you recorded the secrets in.
bogwog 2y ago
I think "stolen" is perfectly fine to use here, but I don't think you're correct. The definition of theft usually involves depriving someone of something, which is why piracy and copyright infringement are not theft. There's a whole wikipedia section dedicated to it for anyone who actually cares about this kind of thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

thinkingtoilet 2y ago

What is your credit card number? Please free that information.

chrisjj 2y ago

Take != take a copy. Take requires /remove/.

dylan604 2y ago
nah, TicketMaster was just distributing the data. Everything is working as designed

finack 2y ago

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