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Substitute "china" for "japan" and roll back the clock a few decades. Even though Toyota, Nissan and Honda are top-selling brands, Detroit spiffed up its qualit

by lxm 2y ago

Substitute "china" for "japan" and roll back the clock a few decades. Even though Toyota, Nissan and Honda are top-selling brands, Detroit spiffed up its quality controls, and a bunch of those manufacturers set up factories in the US anyways.

rangestransform 2y ago
for better or for worse, japan is a geopolitical puppet of the US, where as china is big and powerful enough to be uncontrollable now
- Krasnol 2y ago
  Japan is working together with BYD and they profit from that in the EV sector. They won't go down with the US on that. https://www.bydeurope.com/article/303 https://www.bydeurope.com/article/303 https://insideevs.com/news/696789/toyota-byd-ev-partnership-manufacturing-interview/ https://insideevs.com/news/696789/toyota-byd-ev-partnership-...
- skipants 2y ago
  As a Canadian, I agree with the premise that I'd rather see Japan gain power over China due to how they wield that power; but man, you have quite a pessimistic view when it comes to describing US allies. Also, if Japan truly was a US puppet, would they be "allowed" to have a auto industry at all?
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Sure. whats the point of a puppet if you dont use it or interact with it?
  - rangestransform 2y ago
    > man, you have quite a pessimistic view when it comes to describing US allies. I certainly think it's better than having an morals-based view of geopolitics, and either - believing in the moralistic post-hoc justifications for geopolitical actions like invading Iraq - wanting to unilaterally cede resources or control to geopolitical adversaries or the global south
- randomrambn04 2y ago
  Not that China nor US should be controlled to their detriment, or uncontrollable to the detriment of others. But as a global south citizen, it is interesting to see the US really panic for the first time in my life with the rise of China. I hope they would rise up to the challenge and that the situation will not become violent.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  If you are Japan you pick one: us or China. Which one would you pick? Btw I predict Japan will nuke up in the next decade.
- saveferris 2y ago
  Today it is. While not the existential threat to the US that communism/China are or perceived to be, Japan was very much a threat to the US in the 80s/90s. All kinds of concerns not just about the car market but manufacturing in general, how much real estate Japan owned, how much treasuries Japan owned, etc, I know a few people who lost their collective minds when a Japanese guy bought Pebble Beach. Turned out to be a terrible move on his part. Japan was very much a threat to the US back then. Maybe more perceived than reality but a lot of the same rhetoric/narrative you see today about China, was Japan vs the US back then.

by lxm 2y ago

rangestransform 2y ago

for better or for worse, japan is a geopolitical puppet of the US, where as china is big and powerful enough to be uncontrollable now

Krasnol 2y ago
Japan is working together with BYD and they profit from that in the EV sector. They won't go down with the US on that. https://www.bydeurope.com/article/303 https://www.bydeurope.com/article/303 https://insideevs.com/news/696789/toyota-byd-ev-partnership-manufacturing-interview/ https://insideevs.com/news/696789/toyota-byd-ev-partnership-...
skipants 2y ago
As a Canadian, I agree with the premise that I'd rather see Japan gain power over China due to how they wield that power; but man, you have quite a pessimistic view when it comes to describing US allies. Also, if Japan truly was a US puppet, would they be "allowed" to have a auto industry at all?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Sure. whats the point of a puppet if you dont use it or interact with it?
- rangestransform 2y ago
  > man, you have quite a pessimistic view when it comes to describing US allies. I certainly think it's better than having an morals-based view of geopolitics, and either - believing in the moralistic post-hoc justifications for geopolitical actions like invading Iraq - wanting to unilaterally cede resources or control to geopolitical adversaries or the global south
randomrambn04 2y ago
Not that China nor US should be controlled to their detriment, or uncontrollable to the detriment of others. But as a global south citizen, it is interesting to see the US really panic for the first time in my life with the rise of China. I hope they would rise up to the challenge and that the situation will not become violent.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
If you are Japan you pick one: us or China. Which one would you pick? Btw I predict Japan will nuke up in the next decade.
saveferris 2y ago
Today it is. While not the existential threat to the US that communism/China are or perceived to be, Japan was very much a threat to the US in the 80s/90s. All kinds of concerns not just about the car market but manufacturing in general, how much real estate Japan owned, how much treasuries Japan owned, etc, I know a few people who lost their collective minds when a Japanese guy bought Pebble Beach. Turned out to be a terrible move on his part. Japan was very much a threat to the US back then. Maybe more perceived than reality but a lot of the same rhetoric/narrative you see today about China, was Japan vs the US back then.