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This is useless. No one wants to (or should) drive 20 hours without stopping. Car manufacturers could also start selling gasoline cars with a 200L tank but they

This is useless. No one wants to (or should) drive 20 hours without stopping. Car manufacturers could also start selling gasoline cars with a 200L tank but they don't, because there is no use for them.

resters 2y ago
20 hours over the course of how many days? Don't assume everyone has a charger at home. Considering that in many places there are not superchargers nearby, having additional capacity/range is a major benefit.
- vel0city 2y ago
  This is a plug-in hybrid car. If you can't charge at home, realistically it is just going to be like any other hybrid car just maybe with a bigger gas tank and slightly better MPG. What routes are people routinely driving where they need 1,300mi between recharging and refueling?
  - resters 2y ago
    > What routes are people routinely driving You are assuming that people like stopping to charge and waiting 45 minutes at a supercharger station (currently the best possible situation with a Tesla) It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. Consider how much more money the long range Teslas cost compared with the base model. This is because extra range is very very nice to have and ads a LOT of value
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Its a plug-in hybrid car. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. It runs off petrol. > It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. It isn't the only other option. I've never waited 45 minutes at a public charger even on road trips. I don't even normally stop at public chargers other than the ones at my office or the mall if a spot is free. There are also other plug-in hybrid cars out there. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. Not a 1,300mi BEV. Did I mention it runs off petrol? And thus not like a Tesla? You re-energize this while out and about by going to gas stations, not to DCFCs. Because it is a hybrid, not a BEV.
      - resters 2y ago
        Soon enough gas stations and charging stations will be in the same location. It’s surprising that gas stations haven’t put in a few super chargers already since they already have the good locations. Your point seems to me to be about a small detail that isn’t really relevant. Drivers focused on range don’t necessarily care whether it’s hybrid or pure electric, etc.
        vel0city 2y ago
        Your point was people didn't want to stop and charge for 45 minutes often while on road trips and that many people don't have chargers at home so having 1,300mi of range is potentially useful. This car wouldn't stop and charge and have you wait for 45 minutes unless you're just into that. It runs off petrol. People would stop and pump gas for several minutes and be on their way. Maybe if you go someplace with free level two charging you might take advantage of it, but outside of that you probably would never charge it in public. Just use gas. You directly stated waiting to charge for 45 minutes at a supercharger "...is currently the only option." But it is not. Hybrids, and plug-in hybrids like this, have been an option for a long time. The idea that one can quickly "recharge" on the go at a gas station is not a new concept. Gas cars have existed for a long time. This is a type of gas car. It takes gasoline and burns it in an internal combustion engine to get that range figure. Nothing about this technology is really new, just that it has better MPG than some of the other competitors and has a large enough gas tank to make that range figure really high. And it largely gets that high MPG by pairing it with a much lower power motor than what many US consumers would like (99hp vs 160hp in the Prius Prime). Charging at home is also pretty irrelevant here, save for the fact it is a plug-in hybrid. Then I'd wonder why bother buying the plug-in hybrid with a larger and more expensive battery if you're not planning on actually keeping that battery charged often. The pure-battery range of this is still pretty tiny compared to an EV, so if you didn't have the ability to charge at home this is just a normal hybrid car like the Prius, albeit with better MPG due to being much more anemic. But then the main benefit isn't that it has such immense range, the main benefit is that it supposedly has a pretty high MPG compared to most hybrids on the market today. So why not lead with that in the article instead of sharing some odd range statistic. A Jeep with a few jerry cans strapped to the back can also have a pretty large amount of range. Pickup trucks with massive gas tanks can also have pretty high range as well. So practically every point about charging time, charging at home, and comparison to Tesla is immensely irrelevant. Tesla doesn't make hybrids. The comparison is to pretty much every car maker that makes hybrids. This is because, once again, this is a hybrid and not an EV. The point of "this isn't an EV, so concerns about home charging and charging wait time" aren't mere details. It is a key part of the car and directly addresses your main points of why you imagine 1,300mi of range would be important and valuable to the consumer. I do agree, 1,300mi of range on a BEV with the current state of charging would be useful. This isn't a BEV, its a hybrid. The state of charging networks doesn't really apply. Practically nobody takes 45 minutes pumping gas.
  - flkiwi 2y ago
    I can think of lots of possible answers outside Europe and North America, particularly where infrastructure is either limited or unreliable.
kyawzazaw 2y ago
How is it useless? When the main complaints about ev driving is the mile range? Nobody is saying you have to drive 20hours continuously. It’s for when chargers aren’t available
- vel0city 2y ago
  This isn't an EV, its a hybrid. Any talk of range anxiety or charging speeds due to charging issues is moot.
ok123456 2y ago
You can drive 20 hours over multiple days. For example, you could charge a commuter car once a week.
- ggreer 2y ago
  If it's a commuter car, you're plugging it in at home every night and waking up with a full charge.
jgeada 2y ago
Stopping at a gas station or charger is just pure overhead. It is never something I want to do, it is just something that I have to do to keep the car running. Maximizing the interval between these refueling stops, where I have to pay to keep my car running, is a net win to me.
Tempest1981 2y ago
A 200L tank wouldn't be an easy fit in most existing vehicles. (And imagine a $200+ fill up) It's more impressive than BYD did it with a 50L tank.

resters 2y ago

20 hours over the course of how many days? Don't assume everyone has a charger at home. Considering that in many places there are not superchargers nearby, having additional capacity/range is a major benefit.

vel0city 2y ago
This is a plug-in hybrid car. If you can't charge at home, realistically it is just going to be like any other hybrid car just maybe with a bigger gas tank and slightly better MPG. What routes are people routinely driving where they need 1,300mi between recharging and refueling?
- resters 2y ago
  > What routes are people routinely driving You are assuming that people like stopping to charge and waiting 45 minutes at a supercharger station (currently the best possible situation with a Tesla) It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. Consider how much more money the long range Teslas cost compared with the base model. This is because extra range is very very nice to have and ads a LOT of value
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Its a plug-in hybrid car. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. It runs off petrol. > It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. It isn't the only other option. I've never waited 45 minutes at a public charger even on road trips. I don't even normally stop at public chargers other than the ones at my office or the mall if a spot is free. There are also other plug-in hybrid cars out there. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. Not a 1,300mi BEV. Did I mention it runs off petrol? And thus not like a Tesla? You re-energize this while out and about by going to gas stations, not to DCFCs. Because it is a hybrid, not a BEV.
    - resters 2y ago
      Soon enough gas stations and charging stations will be in the same location. It’s surprising that gas stations haven’t put in a few super chargers already since they already have the good locations. Your point seems to me to be about a small detail that isn’t really relevant. Drivers focused on range don’t necessarily care whether it’s hybrid or pure electric, etc.
      - vel0city 2y ago
        Your point was people didn't want to stop and charge for 45 minutes often while on road trips and that many people don't have chargers at home so having 1,300mi of range is potentially useful. This car wouldn't stop and charge and have you wait for 45 minutes unless you're just into that. It runs off petrol. People would stop and pump gas for several minutes and be on their way. Maybe if you go someplace with free level two charging you might take advantage of it, but outside of that you probably would never charge it in public. Just use gas. You directly stated waiting to charge for 45 minutes at a supercharger "...is currently the only option." But it is not. Hybrids, and plug-in hybrids like this, have been an option for a long time. The idea that one can quickly "recharge" on the go at a gas station is not a new concept. Gas cars have existed for a long time. This is a type of gas car. It takes gasoline and burns it in an internal combustion engine to get that range figure. Nothing about this technology is really new, just that it has better MPG than some of the other competitors and has a large enough gas tank to make that range figure really high. And it largely gets that high MPG by pairing it with a much lower power motor than what many US consumers would like (99hp vs 160hp in the Prius Prime). Charging at home is also pretty irrelevant here, save for the fact it is a plug-in hybrid. Then I'd wonder why bother buying the plug-in hybrid with a larger and more expensive battery if you're not planning on actually keeping that battery charged often. The pure-battery range of this is still pretty tiny compared to an EV, so if you didn't have the ability to charge at home this is just a normal hybrid car like the Prius, albeit with better MPG due to being much more anemic. But then the main benefit isn't that it has such immense range, the main benefit is that it supposedly has a pretty high MPG compared to most hybrids on the market today. So why not lead with that in the article instead of sharing some odd range statistic. A Jeep with a few jerry cans strapped to the back can also have a pretty large amount of range. Pickup trucks with massive gas tanks can also have pretty high range as well. So practically every point about charging time, charging at home, and comparison to Tesla is immensely irrelevant. Tesla doesn't make hybrids. The comparison is to pretty much every car maker that makes hybrids. This is because, once again, this is a hybrid and not an EV. The point of "this isn't an EV, so concerns about home charging and charging wait time" aren't mere details. It is a key part of the car and directly addresses your main points of why you imagine 1,300mi of range would be important and valuable to the consumer. I do agree, 1,300mi of range on a BEV with the current state of charging would be useful. This isn't a BEV, its a hybrid. The state of charging networks doesn't really apply. Practically nobody takes 45 minutes pumping gas.
- flkiwi 2y ago
  I can think of lots of possible answers outside Europe and North America, particularly where infrastructure is either limited or unreliable.

kyawzazaw 2y ago

How is it useless? When the main complaints about ev driving is the mile range? Nobody is saying you have to drive 20hours continuously. It’s for when chargers aren’t available

vel0city 2y ago
This isn't an EV, its a hybrid. Any talk of range anxiety or charging speeds due to charging issues is moot.

ok123456 2y ago

You can drive 20 hours over multiple days. For example, you could charge a commuter car once a week.

ggreer 2y ago
If it's a commuter car, you're plugging it in at home every night and waking up with a full charge.

jgeada 2y ago

Stopping at a gas station or charger is just pure overhead. It is never something I want to do, it is just something that I have to do to keep the car running. Maximizing the interval between these refueling stops, where I have to pay to keep my car running, is a net win to me.

Tempest1981 2y ago

A 200L tank wouldn't be an easy fit in most existing vehicles. (And imagine a $200+ fill up) It's more impressive than BYD did it with a 50L tank.