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I do apologize - I do not mean to downplay Scully, rather I don't have Scully and only now realized that. This all got wrapped up in my very recent disappointme

I do apologize - I do not mean to downplay Scully, rather I don't have Scully and only now realized that. This all got wrapped up in my very recent disappointment with Star Trek and I got caught up with that. I think the Scully effect has proven quite powerful - with great power come great responsibility. Perhaps, kids don't need their "Scully" to be a character that just checks all the right boxes but actually do benefit quite well from a strong relatable character that doesn't conform so much to society as society conforms to the character - like Scully. Discovery's diversity is essentially a snapshot of exactly what we think diversity ought to look like in whatever year it was made - it's already feeling dated bc forced sh*t like that never holds up A Scully tho - remakes the mold. I don't think we'll see a trans character that's breaking any molds from Hollywood rn, for example. That's all Im saying.

aredox 2y ago
This isn't something new right now. Tokenism is there - and has been decried non-stop - since the 60's. The problem is not inserting minorities, it's a whole entertainment industry that is still hardly able to make them whole characters despite decades (!) of pointing out the problem. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-ferrera-breaks-down-the-difference-between-tokenism-and-true-diversity_n_573f1a92e4b045cc9a70b132 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-ferrera-breaks-down-t...
tombert 2y ago
Out of curiosity, you mentioned in a a parent comment that there wasn't any good examples until recently; what do you think is a recent good example of a gay character in media? I'm a straight dude, so I'll admit that I might be a little out of touch with some of these things, but I do think that representation is really important, so I'd like to know an example that you think is a positive depiction.
- NemoNobody 2y ago
  SE Asia has become a bit of a Mecca for Queer content - began as very niche media locally but they began to cater to the global queer audience about 4-5 years ago. Changed my life actually. It took many series before I was comfortable with 2 men kissing on screen but I made myself watch, despite a significant culture shock and it all being very low budget back then. I can now identify which country an Asian person is from bc hundreds of shows have been made by the same 6-7 countries and I'm familiar with their distinctions now - that's how much I've seen Western Gay media is terrible - Call Me By Your Name is perhaps the only movie I would recommend and Heartstopper the only Series. Heartstopper was/is an unbelievably big deal tho. It's just a decent teen HS romance about a young couple, dealing with young people stuff, one of those things being that they are both guys and the interesting set of challenges that brings - that was revolutionary, never, ever been done before in the west - I'm still waiting for one to die (how gay Western media pre 2022 ends) In all seriousness tho - I hope every gay boy in the world is able to see Heartstopper, perhaps the next generation of us will be happier. I'm sure more info than you asked for but whenever this comes up I try to leave a few breadcrumbs for those that haven't found their way to BL media yet

aredox 2y ago

This isn't something new right now. Tokenism is there - and has been decried non-stop - since the 60's. The problem is not inserting minorities, it's a whole entertainment industry that is still hardly able to make them whole characters despite decades (!) of pointing out the problem. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-ferrera-breaks-down-the-difference-between-tokenism-and-true-diversity_n_573f1a92e4b045cc9a70b132 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-ferrera-breaks-down-t...

tombert 2y ago

Out of curiosity, you mentioned in a a parent comment that there wasn't any good examples until recently; what do you think is a recent good example of a gay character in media? I'm a straight dude, so I'll admit that I might be a little out of touch with some of these things, but I do think that representation is really important, so I'd like to know an example that you think is a positive depiction.

NemoNobody 2y ago
SE Asia has become a bit of a Mecca for Queer content - began as very niche media locally but they began to cater to the global queer audience about 4-5 years ago. Changed my life actually. It took many series before I was comfortable with 2 men kissing on screen but I made myself watch, despite a significant culture shock and it all being very low budget back then. I can now identify which country an Asian person is from bc hundreds of shows have been made by the same 6-7 countries and I'm familiar with their distinctions now - that's how much I've seen Western Gay media is terrible - Call Me By Your Name is perhaps the only movie I would recommend and Heartstopper the only Series. Heartstopper was/is an unbelievably big deal tho. It's just a decent teen HS romance about a young couple, dealing with young people stuff, one of those things being that they are both guys and the interesting set of challenges that brings - that was revolutionary, never, ever been done before in the west - I'm still waiting for one to die (how gay Western media pre 2022 ends) In all seriousness tho - I hope every gay boy in the world is able to see Heartstopper, perhaps the next generation of us will be happier. I'm sure more info than you asked for but whenever this comes up I try to leave a few breadcrumbs for those that haven't found their way to BL media yet