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BYD Launches Hybrids with 1,300-Mile Driving Range

50 points by lxm 2y ago

ChrisArchitect 2y ago
[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617
torginus 2y ago
Honestly I think a fundamental misconception about Chinese EVs is that people tend to view them as a monolith, and often talk about unfair government backed and funded push to destroy Western carmakers. The reality is that there are more than a dozen serious Chinese EV brands and they are in a cutthroat competition even for their own domestic market and most of their production goes to domestic customers. I don't think subsidies in this context should be a considered a weapon of international trade.
gchokov 2y ago
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- MrMid 2y ago
  Can you explain?
  - gertrunde 2y ago
    While I'm not the commenter that you are replying to, I do drive a plug-in hybrid. I find fuel economy is worse if you don't heavily utilise the electric side, and on-the-road cost is more than a straight petrol engine version of the same car, with less boot storage space as well, as the battery takes up space (and space where a spare tyre now cannot be), although it can make economic sense due to some taxes being less. (e.g. BIK tax rate of ~8-10% vs ~25-30%). You'll only really get good fuel economy if you are plugging it in to charge every night, and doing a correspondingly suitable amount of daily miles. And if you're plugging the car in overnight every night... you might as well just get a full BEV anyway. The whole plug-in hybrid thing just feels like a tax dodge (either because it take advantage of perverse incentives, or works around low emission schemes), or a halfway house for people who aren't yet ready to make the jump to a BEV. For me, even driving one (for the aforementioned financial considerations), I feel the reasons to buy/drive a plug in hybrid don't really make sense from any other point-of-view, and at this stage my next car is most likely to be a BEV.
    - AnotherGoodName 2y ago
      That doesn't make much sense. Hybrids literally have much better MPG figures and that takes into account that you can't run off battery to cheat these numbers. Regenerative breaking is a huge MPG win and you can't do that without being Hybrid.
      - gertrunde 2y ago
        I entirely agree with you, on paper they should have better MPG. But I don't find those figures reflected in my actual on the road experience. Edit: That may say something about my driving style though! ;) Edit2: The situation may be different for PHEV vs normal hybrid (more battery weight for PHEV), and may change with quality of hybrid power management implementation.
    - josefresco 2y ago
      What vehicle/year/model?
      - gertrunde 2y ago
        2021 Seat Leon (Edit: Not a bad car, it's fine, just less than expected in a few areas, namely fuel economy and boot space)
- josefresco 2y ago
  Please expand on your thoughts. Do you mean worse for the environment? Or consumer? Or something else.
- jlmorton 2y ago
  Not really. In a perfect world where we had an unlimited supply of batteries, charging infrastructure, and all-renewable electricity, BEVs would be best. But we don't live in that world. Plugin hybrids with smaller batteries are likely the best path until we can scale the battery and charging infrastructure.
Gasp0de 2y ago
This is useless. No one wants to (or should) drive 20 hours without stopping. Car manufacturers could also start selling gasoline cars with a 200L tank but they don't, because there is no use for them.
- resters 2y ago
  20 hours over the course of how many days? Don't assume everyone has a charger at home. Considering that in many places there are not superchargers nearby, having additional capacity/range is a major benefit.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    This is a plug-in hybrid car. If you can't charge at home, realistically it is just going to be like any other hybrid car just maybe with a bigger gas tank and slightly better MPG. What routes are people routinely driving where they need 1,300mi between recharging and refueling?
    - resters 2y ago
      > What routes are people routinely driving You are assuming that people like stopping to charge and waiting 45 minutes at a supercharger station (currently the best possible situation with a Tesla) It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. Consider how much more money the long range Teslas cost compared with the base model. This is because extra range is very very nice to have and ads a LOT of value
      - vel0city 2y ago
        Its a plug-in hybrid car. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. It runs off petrol. > It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. It isn't the only other option. I've never waited 45 minutes at a public charger even on road trips. I don't even normally stop at public chargers other than the ones at my office or the mall if a spot is free. There are also other plug-in hybrid cars out there. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. Not a 1,300mi BEV. Did I mention it runs off petrol? And thus not like a Tesla? You re-energize this while out and about by going to gas stations, not to DCFCs. Because it is a hybrid, not a BEV.
Gasp0de 2y ago
https://archive.ph/SNYoe https://archive.ph/SNYoe
- timbit42 2y ago
  Doesn't have the entire article.
atonse 2y ago
While that sounds interesting on paper, what sort of problem is this solving, exactly? Even during my childless-with-gas-car days, the most we'd drive without stopping was maybe 3 hours. I would think even professional truckers would stop once every few hours for bathroom breaks and such. Maybe it helps people that don't live near a charger, so they'd have to charge less often? But even then, charging a battery up to 1,300 miles would take FOREVER even on the fastest chargers.
- singleshot_ 2y ago
  Google “trucker bomb,” or maybe don’t.
- runako 2y ago
  Consider that there are still regions where rapid EV chargers are not ubiquitous, this solves the problems of range anxiety and trip length. For a weeklong trip to a location where there are no chargers, you can have the confidence of making it there, tooling around for the week, and making it back to a place with a charger. You might not need this in your region, but I am familiar with regions in the US where this would come in handy.
  - atonse 2y ago
    Yeah this is a good point. I have never had range anxiety on the road, but have had a bit more when I get to certain destinations. But we also haven't been to any place in the US yet where we were hundreds of miles away from a supercharger.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    But that's the case with pretty much any plug-in hybrid that already exists. This has pretty similar pure-EV range to many other plug-in hybrids.
    - runako 2y ago
      That's fair, but as a marketing point it definitely is a differentiator. That matters for sales!
resters 2y ago
This combined with the news that Tesla is shrinking its supercharger team is a tremendous competitive advantage. Maybe US automakers will need a 200% tariff on Chinese EVs to compete.
zug_zug 2y ago
I've seen this shared a few times... and I'm not sure I get why. I think driving range is an important metric for fully-electric vehicles since recharging isn't easy everywhere in the country. Otherwise I think MPG is the right metric. Not sure why driving range of a HYBRID would be a relevant metric, that would be a factor of a lot of things, like gas tank size, which doesn't pertain to efficiency/environmentalism.
- skybrian 2y ago
  Gallons per hundred miles would be a better metric, since it would make it clearer that improving gas mileage of inefficient vehicles makes a lot more difference for gas consumption.
  - mikeyouse 2y ago
    My favorite demonstration of this is that increasing your mileage from 10mpg to 12mpg, from 20mpg to 30mpg, and from 60mpg to 1,000mpg all save the same amount of gas.
    - wackget 2y ago
      How does that work? Can you clarify?
      - skybrian 2y ago
        You can’t save more gasoline than you’re using. More: The misleading, wasteful way we measure gas mileage, explained https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/350382/gas-mileage-fuel-economy-mpg-gphm-gas-guzzlers https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/350382/gas-mileage-fuel-e...
      - mikeyouse 2y ago
        To travel 100 miles at each of those MPGs; 10MPG = 10 gallons of gas 12MPG = 8.33 gallons of gas 20mpg = 5 gallons of gas 30mpg = 3.33 gallons of gas 60mpg = 1.67 gallons of gas 1,000mpg = 0.1 gallons of gas So moving from 10-12mpg saves 1.67 gallons per hundred miles. Moving from 20-30mpg saves the same. At 60mpg, you're only using 1.67 gallons of gas, so there's no improvement to MPG that will save more than that. Nearly all the gains to actual fuel consumed will come from increasing the worst offenders rather than e.g. trading in Corollas for Pruises. Also a good demonstration why the CAFE standards and other government fleet minimums are actually pretty effective at lowering fuel demand.
jgeada 2y ago
It is unfortunate that all this innovation is happening in China, and subject to all sorts of protective tariffs to protect the absurdly dumb and backwards thinking US automotive industry. If they can't adapt to the modern world and what customers want, they should be allowed to go bankrupt. But no, we have to keep subsidizing and protecting the ability to make yet more gargantuan SUVs.
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  American auto industry has had several reset chances since Japanese automakers began wiping the floor with them and each time they have found themselves behind within 5-10 years. It’s pretty incredible.
  - Krasnol 2y ago
    Germany goes the same way and instead of supporting EVs and infrastructure drastically, they discuss how to roll back the phase out of combustion engine cars. Sad to see how a country, which is so proud of their car industry, fails so spectacularly.
    - MattGaiser 2y ago
      Is their main horse in the race capable of changing? Volkswagen's innovative drive systems turned out to be fraudulent.
      - Krasnol 2y ago
        They are so huge, they should all try at least. The race is lost for now, though. Volkswagen announced they want to produce a cheap model (20k€) it'll be there....2027. I guess by that time, people will already accept Chinese cars. I see them quite often here in a big German city.
  - OtherShrezzing 2y ago
    The British car show Top Gear had a joke about this phenomenon when discussing the size of their American car's engines: > How big's your engine? 5.7 litre Buick and a 7 litre v8 motor! > It's 160HP in the Buick > It's 200HP in the 7.0l [other American car] > How do [American car companies] get so few horsepower from these engines? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKai81eBRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKai81eBRE
xnx 2y ago
2 days ago. 79 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617
artninja1988 2y ago
In my experience, driving ranges of electric cars are heavily cherry picked with the best possible conditions and even then they are very generous. We'll see if someone independent can see what the driving range really ends up being
- freedomben 2y ago
  They are inaccurate, but it's not simply that they are cherry-picked. It is just extremely difficult to give an estimation when one of the main factors is grade. No matter how much grade you pick to use for your benchmark, it is going to be wrong for a lot of people. Epa standards for MPG have had the same problem for many years. It definitely improved for most people when they stopped using a completely flat area and started having some grade changes, but it is still just a matter of where you fall on the averages for where you live and drive.
aresant 2y ago
Not having to waste the time, energy, and planning to go to a gas station is a major selling feature The average miles driven on a car per year is 13,500 The median range of a gasoline automobile is ~400 miles Assuming most people don't drive to absolute empty figure that's something like 40 trips per year to the gas station This BYD cuts that down to ~10 trips per annum Or framed another way you go to the gas station once every five weeks vs once a week (1) https://www.caranddriver.com/auto-loans/a32880477/average-mileage-per-year/ https://www.caranddriver.com/auto-loans/a32880477/average-mi... (2) https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1221-january-17-2022-model-year-2021-all-electric-vehicles-had-median https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1221-janu...
gnicholas 2y ago
If I had a car that could go over a thousand miles between fill-ups, I would never fill it all the way. I’d rather not haul around half a tank of gas that I won’t need, and which marginally hurts the mileage. I also wouldn’t want to have gallons of gas sitting in the tank for months, which is what the result would be if I filled it. Of course, this line of thinking is why I’d never buy a vehicle with this capability. I’d rather buy one with fewer features, a smaller gas tank, and/or a smaller battery.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  If your current car tripled or quadrupled its mileage, would you also stop filling it up? Seems a silly idea to me as you never know when you're gonna want to go a little bit further than you normally do on a tank. I drive so little that I only fill up about monthly and I could fill up weekly to 1/3rd tank to save a little bit of weight penalty, but that would be silly and a waste of all that gas station time when the gas in the tank does just fine for a month (a year might be different.)
  - gnicholas 2y ago
    There’s a difference between going from weekly to monthly and going from monthly to semi-annually. For one thing, (AIUI), it’s not good to have gas sitting in your car for more than a few months. Also, it’s possible that during a given week you don’t go near a gas station (from where I live, if I hop on the freeway and head to the city, I don’t pass any). But it’s unlikely that if you drive for a month you’re not near a gas station at a convenient time to stop. So getting rid of the annoyance of weekly fill-ups is different from dealing with monthly fill-ups (which is not especially annoying).
reify 2y ago
The word Hybrid stuck out for me My maths is not what is used to be. A thousand miles with gasoline and 300 miles on battery = 1,300 miles either that or you have to tow a small trailer with extra batteries On a lighter note Even Tiger Woods cant drive 1,300 miles so the Chinese have no chance
yatz 2y ago
Unless we know the details such as battery pack size and capacity of gas tank, it’s hard to imagine how big of an innovation this is. If you add Prius’s range of 550+ on 11.3 gallons gas tank and BYD’s battery powered car range of 400+ - that’s about a 1000 miles right there. Nonetheless, if they are able to keep the cost down and gain a 30% efficiency- that’s still pretty good.

50 points by lxm 2y ago

[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617

Honestly I think a fundamental misconception about Chinese EVs is that people tend to view them as a monolith, and often talk about unfair government backed and funded push to destroy Western carmakers. The reality is that there are more than a dozen serious Chinese EV brands and they are in a cutthroat competition even for their own domestic market and most of their production goes to domestic customers. I don't think subsidies in this context should be a considered a weapon of international trade.

gchokov 2y ago

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MrMid 2y ago
Can you explain?
- gertrunde 2y ago
  While I'm not the commenter that you are replying to, I do drive a plug-in hybrid. I find fuel economy is worse if you don't heavily utilise the electric side, and on-the-road cost is more than a straight petrol engine version of the same car, with less boot storage space as well, as the battery takes up space (and space where a spare tyre now cannot be), although it can make economic sense due to some taxes being less. (e.g. BIK tax rate of ~8-10% vs ~25-30%). You'll only really get good fuel economy if you are plugging it in to charge every night, and doing a correspondingly suitable amount of daily miles. And if you're plugging the car in overnight every night... you might as well just get a full BEV anyway. The whole plug-in hybrid thing just feels like a tax dodge (either because it take advantage of perverse incentives, or works around low emission schemes), or a halfway house for people who aren't yet ready to make the jump to a BEV. For me, even driving one (for the aforementioned financial considerations), I feel the reasons to buy/drive a plug in hybrid don't really make sense from any other point-of-view, and at this stage my next car is most likely to be a BEV.
  - AnotherGoodName 2y ago
    That doesn't make much sense. Hybrids literally have much better MPG figures and that takes into account that you can't run off battery to cheat these numbers. Regenerative breaking is a huge MPG win and you can't do that without being Hybrid.
    - gertrunde 2y ago
      I entirely agree with you, on paper they should have better MPG. But I don't find those figures reflected in my actual on the road experience. Edit: That may say something about my driving style though! ;) Edit2: The situation may be different for PHEV vs normal hybrid (more battery weight for PHEV), and may change with quality of hybrid power management implementation.
  - josefresco 2y ago
    What vehicle/year/model?
    - gertrunde 2y ago
      2021 Seat Leon (Edit: Not a bad car, it's fine, just less than expected in a few areas, namely fuel economy and boot space)
josefresco 2y ago
Please expand on your thoughts. Do you mean worse for the environment? Or consumer? Or something else.
jlmorton 2y ago
Not really. In a perfect world where we had an unlimited supply of batteries, charging infrastructure, and all-renewable electricity, BEVs would be best. But we don't live in that world. Plugin hybrids with smaller batteries are likely the best path until we can scale the battery and charging infrastructure.

Gasp0de 2y ago

This is useless. No one wants to (or should) drive 20 hours without stopping. Car manufacturers could also start selling gasoline cars with a 200L tank but they don't, because there is no use for them.

resters 2y ago
20 hours over the course of how many days? Don't assume everyone has a charger at home. Considering that in many places there are not superchargers nearby, having additional capacity/range is a major benefit.
- vel0city 2y ago
  This is a plug-in hybrid car. If you can't charge at home, realistically it is just going to be like any other hybrid car just maybe with a bigger gas tank and slightly better MPG. What routes are people routinely driving where they need 1,300mi between recharging and refueling?
  - resters 2y ago
    > What routes are people routinely driving You are assuming that people like stopping to charge and waiting 45 minutes at a supercharger station (currently the best possible situation with a Tesla) It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. Consider how much more money the long range Teslas cost compared with the base model. This is because extra range is very very nice to have and ads a LOT of value
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Its a plug-in hybrid car. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. It runs off petrol. > It's not terrible, but it is currently the only option. It isn't the only other option. I've never waited 45 minutes at a public charger even on road trips. I don't even normally stop at public chargers other than the ones at my office or the mall if a spot is free. There are also other plug-in hybrid cars out there. Once again, its a plug-in hybrid car. Not a 1,300mi BEV. Did I mention it runs off petrol? And thus not like a Tesla? You re-energize this while out and about by going to gas stations, not to DCFCs. Because it is a hybrid, not a BEV.

Gasp0de 2y ago

https://archive.ph/SNYoe https://archive.ph/SNYoe

timbit42 2y ago
Doesn't have the entire article.

atonse 2y ago

While that sounds interesting on paper, what sort of problem is this solving, exactly? Even during my childless-with-gas-car days, the most we'd drive without stopping was maybe 3 hours. I would think even professional truckers would stop once every few hours for bathroom breaks and such. Maybe it helps people that don't live near a charger, so they'd have to charge less often? But even then, charging a battery up to 1,300 miles would take FOREVER even on the fastest chargers.

singleshot_ 2y ago
Google “trucker bomb,” or maybe don’t.
runako 2y ago
Consider that there are still regions where rapid EV chargers are not ubiquitous, this solves the problems of range anxiety and trip length. For a weeklong trip to a location where there are no chargers, you can have the confidence of making it there, tooling around for the week, and making it back to a place with a charger. You might not need this in your region, but I am familiar with regions in the US where this would come in handy.
- atonse 2y ago
  Yeah this is a good point. I have never had range anxiety on the road, but have had a bit more when I get to certain destinations. But we also haven't been to any place in the US yet where we were hundreds of miles away from a supercharger.
- vel0city 2y ago
  But that's the case with pretty much any plug-in hybrid that already exists. This has pretty similar pure-EV range to many other plug-in hybrids.
  - runako 2y ago
    That's fair, but as a marketing point it definitely is a differentiator. That matters for sales!

resters 2y ago

This combined with the news that Tesla is shrinking its supercharger team is a tremendous competitive advantage. Maybe US automakers will need a 200% tariff on Chinese EVs to compete.

zug_zug 2y ago

I've seen this shared a few times... and I'm not sure I get why. I think driving range is an important metric for fully-electric vehicles since recharging isn't easy everywhere in the country. Otherwise I think MPG is the right metric. Not sure why driving range of a HYBRID would be a relevant metric, that would be a factor of a lot of things, like gas tank size, which doesn't pertain to efficiency/environmentalism.

skybrian 2y ago
Gallons per hundred miles would be a better metric, since it would make it clearer that improving gas mileage of inefficient vehicles makes a lot more difference for gas consumption.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  My favorite demonstration of this is that increasing your mileage from 10mpg to 12mpg, from 20mpg to 30mpg, and from 60mpg to 1,000mpg all save the same amount of gas.
  - wackget 2y ago
    How does that work? Can you clarify?
    - skybrian 2y ago
      You can’t save more gasoline than you’re using. More: The misleading, wasteful way we measure gas mileage, explained https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/350382/gas-mileage-fuel-economy-mpg-gphm-gas-guzzlers https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/350382/gas-mileage-fuel-e...
    - mikeyouse 2y ago
      To travel 100 miles at each of those MPGs; 10MPG = 10 gallons of gas 12MPG = 8.33 gallons of gas 20mpg = 5 gallons of gas 30mpg = 3.33 gallons of gas 60mpg = 1.67 gallons of gas 1,000mpg = 0.1 gallons of gas So moving from 10-12mpg saves 1.67 gallons per hundred miles. Moving from 20-30mpg saves the same. At 60mpg, you're only using 1.67 gallons of gas, so there's no improvement to MPG that will save more than that. Nearly all the gains to actual fuel consumed will come from increasing the worst offenders rather than e.g. trading in Corollas for Pruises. Also a good demonstration why the CAFE standards and other government fleet minimums are actually pretty effective at lowering fuel demand.

jgeada 2y ago

It is unfortunate that all this innovation is happening in China, and subject to all sorts of protective tariffs to protect the absurdly dumb and backwards thinking US automotive industry. If they can't adapt to the modern world and what customers want, they should be allowed to go bankrupt. But no, we have to keep subsidizing and protecting the ability to make yet more gargantuan SUVs.

MattGaiser 2y ago
American auto industry has had several reset chances since Japanese automakers began wiping the floor with them and each time they have found themselves behind within 5-10 years. It’s pretty incredible.
- Krasnol 2y ago
  Germany goes the same way and instead of supporting EVs and infrastructure drastically, they discuss how to roll back the phase out of combustion engine cars. Sad to see how a country, which is so proud of their car industry, fails so spectacularly.
  - MattGaiser 2y ago
    Is their main horse in the race capable of changing? Volkswagen's innovative drive systems turned out to be fraudulent.
    - Krasnol 2y ago
      They are so huge, they should all try at least. The race is lost for now, though. Volkswagen announced they want to produce a cheap model (20k€) it'll be there....2027. I guess by that time, people will already accept Chinese cars. I see them quite often here in a big German city.
- OtherShrezzing 2y ago
  The British car show Top Gear had a joke about this phenomenon when discussing the size of their American car's engines: > How big's your engine? 5.7 litre Buick and a 7 litre v8 motor! > It's 160HP in the Buick > It's 200HP in the 7.0l [other American car] > How do [American car companies] get so few horsepower from these engines? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKai81eBRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKai81eBRE

xnx 2y ago

2 days ago. 79 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40510617

artninja1988 2y ago

In my experience, driving ranges of electric cars are heavily cherry picked with the best possible conditions and even then they are very generous. We'll see if someone independent can see what the driving range really ends up being

freedomben 2y ago
They are inaccurate, but it's not simply that they are cherry-picked. It is just extremely difficult to give an estimation when one of the main factors is grade. No matter how much grade you pick to use for your benchmark, it is going to be wrong for a lot of people. Epa standards for MPG have had the same problem for many years. It definitely improved for most people when they stopped using a completely flat area and started having some grade changes, but it is still just a matter of where you fall on the averages for where you live and drive.

aresant 2y ago

Not having to waste the time, energy, and planning to go to a gas station is a major selling feature The average miles driven on a car per year is 13,500 The median range of a gasoline automobile is ~400 miles Assuming most people don't drive to absolute empty figure that's something like 40 trips per year to the gas station This BYD cuts that down to ~10 trips per annum Or framed another way you go to the gas station once every five weeks vs once a week (1) https://www.caranddriver.com/auto-loans/a32880477/average-mileage-per-year/ https://www.caranddriver.com/auto-loans/a32880477/average-mi... (2) https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1221-january-17-2022-model-year-2021-all-electric-vehicles-had-median https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1221-janu...

gnicholas 2y ago

If I had a car that could go over a thousand miles between fill-ups, I would never fill it all the way. I’d rather not haul around half a tank of gas that I won’t need, and which marginally hurts the mileage. I also wouldn’t want to have gallons of gas sitting in the tank for months, which is what the result would be if I filled it. Of course, this line of thinking is why I’d never buy a vehicle with this capability. I’d rather buy one with fewer features, a smaller gas tank, and/or a smaller battery.

asadotzler 2y ago
If your current car tripled or quadrupled its mileage, would you also stop filling it up? Seems a silly idea to me as you never know when you're gonna want to go a little bit further than you normally do on a tank. I drive so little that I only fill up about monthly and I could fill up weekly to 1/3rd tank to save a little bit of weight penalty, but that would be silly and a waste of all that gas station time when the gas in the tank does just fine for a month (a year might be different.)
- gnicholas 2y ago
  There’s a difference between going from weekly to monthly and going from monthly to semi-annually. For one thing, (AIUI), it’s not good to have gas sitting in your car for more than a few months. Also, it’s possible that during a given week you don’t go near a gas station (from where I live, if I hop on the freeway and head to the city, I don’t pass any). But it’s unlikely that if you drive for a month you’re not near a gas station at a convenient time to stop. So getting rid of the annoyance of weekly fill-ups is different from dealing with monthly fill-ups (which is not especially annoying).

reify 2y ago

The word Hybrid stuck out for me My maths is not what is used to be. A thousand miles with gasoline and 300 miles on battery = 1,300 miles either that or you have to tow a small trailer with extra batteries On a lighter note Even Tiger Woods cant drive 1,300 miles so the Chinese have no chance

yatz 2y ago

Unless we know the details such as battery pack size and capacity of gas tank, it’s hard to imagine how big of an innovation this is. If you add Prius’s range of 550+ on 11.3 gallons gas tank and BYD’s battery powered car range of 400+ - that’s about a 1000 miles right there. Nonetheless, if they are able to keep the cost down and gain a 30% efficiency- that’s still pretty good.