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It’s because you don’t give a flying fuck why HOAs exist. It separates those who are of different likeminds. There is a neighborhood in Austin called Apache Sh

It’s because you don’t give a flying fuck why HOAs exist. It separates those who are of different likeminds. There is a neighborhood in Austin called Apache Shores for people like you but who do give a flying fuck to know their neighbors. It’s best described as a series of junkyards next to zero scapes next to 70s A-frames next to medieval manor homes. It’s awesome for people who don’t care if their neighbors house looks like a donut shop. I don’t give a flying fuck that you don’t give a flying fuck about your neighbhors. I want neighbors that care about me and ask if they can have a stick of butter or borrow my table saw or carpool my kids to school. My neighborhood is a true community. We help each other. We organize with each other. We raise kids with each other. All from our huge McMansions with perfect lawns adorned with labradoodles who don’t bark at strangers. It makes my life better and I have never once gotten worked up about some bullshit notion that the HOA is treading on me. It’s possible to like conformity while eating suburban Chipotle while reading Kant. You can be a free thinker while also agreeing to not park your car on your lawn. If you want a pink mailbox and want to use your chainsaw in your birthday suit at 6am go right ahead, in any thousands of neighborhoods or hermitages that allow it in the land where the ratio of eagles to hamburgers is nearly equal. I’ll be in my garage with my neighbor smoking weed with our shirts off, making sawdust, listening to Steely Dan. Oh the tyranny

beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
Hoa are the mushroom head of covenants, which I see as one of the greatest threats to liberty. Boomers unilaterally reaching out the grave to encumber property on all transfers and heirs. The contract of course is unsigned by the counterparty yet somehow runs with the land. Due to this nonsense it was almost impossible finding land allowing me to build a tiny house for my family despite no zoning or codes against it.
- phil21 2y ago
  Yep, this is my problem with HoAs. Everyone supporting them loves to bleat about how "voluntary" they are - but any new construction since perhaps the late 80's in my area have been nearly 100%, if not 100%, HoA. This is not voluntary - it's pay to play, and you are practically forced into these living arrangements if you are within a certain socioeconomic class and want to own a home. That I won the lottery and can "opt out" of the situation personally is immaterial. I find the situation at best unethical. These don't even exist for the standard reasoning any longer. It's turned into a financial grift for developers to avoid paying for improvements, and municipalities to expand the tax base without having to pay for infrastructure. Plenty of "communities" out there currently having their cake and eating it too - at least for the first one or two generations of owners. It's about as sustainable as you'd expect such arrangements to be the more you look into them. If you want suburban new home construction in my area you have had to buy within a HoA for the past 30 years. It's getting to the point where only the older "city core" and inner ring suburbs come devoid of a HoA. So it's either exceedingly expensive dense urban living or a 2 hour drive from a rural property. Such "choice" indeed. HoAs kill freedom more than they offer it from my experience. They also slowly suffocate any future development forcing everyone into exceedingly hard to break covenants of the past. The ossification and hollowing out of middle class America continues.
mlrtime 2y ago
Not sarcasm but this sounds amazing, show me where to sign on the HOA docs.

beaeglebeachedd 2y ago

Hoa are the mushroom head of covenants, which I see as one of the greatest threats to liberty. Boomers unilaterally reaching out the grave to encumber property on all transfers and heirs. The contract of course is unsigned by the counterparty yet somehow runs with the land. Due to this nonsense it was almost impossible finding land allowing me to build a tiny house for my family despite no zoning or codes against it.

phil21 2y ago
Yep, this is my problem with HoAs. Everyone supporting them loves to bleat about how "voluntary" they are - but any new construction since perhaps the late 80's in my area have been nearly 100%, if not 100%, HoA. This is not voluntary - it's pay to play, and you are practically forced into these living arrangements if you are within a certain socioeconomic class and want to own a home. That I won the lottery and can "opt out" of the situation personally is immaterial. I find the situation at best unethical. These don't even exist for the standard reasoning any longer. It's turned into a financial grift for developers to avoid paying for improvements, and municipalities to expand the tax base without having to pay for infrastructure. Plenty of "communities" out there currently having their cake and eating it too - at least for the first one or two generations of owners. It's about as sustainable as you'd expect such arrangements to be the more you look into them. If you want suburban new home construction in my area you have had to buy within a HoA for the past 30 years. It's getting to the point where only the older "city core" and inner ring suburbs come devoid of a HoA. So it's either exceedingly expensive dense urban living or a 2 hour drive from a rural property. Such "choice" indeed. HoAs kill freedom more than they offer it from my experience. They also slowly suffocate any future development forcing everyone into exceedingly hard to break covenants of the past. The ossification and hollowing out of middle class America continues.

mlrtime 2y ago

Not sarcasm but this sounds amazing, show me where to sign on the HOA docs.